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Old 08-22-2002, 08:13 PM   #21
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Asexual reproduction??

How boring!

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well you know what they say, all human babies start off as female, it takes a slight gene mutation to make them male.
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That explains so much!!

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You know what bugs me about this post?

You complain about all these things ( which you have every right to do!)

but there's one thing that keeps coming back to me...

In America, you have the right to actually say what you just did.


That is more important than all of the above.
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Let me start this response with something Elvis has posted at the top of this forum:

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If you cant discuss without attacking someone or a group, etc.. you best take it out of FYM... and off Feedback.
Now I would like to at least comment on some of the things you have said:

I have no trust in our Government.

Fine, but you have to live by their laws, or suffer the consequences.

I have no faith in the Constitution.

A manuscript written by men who could not have had any idea what life would be like today.

I have grown to despise the man that I elected President.

Remember - YOU elected him, blame no one but yourself for your hatred.

I have lost my faith in the Goodness of Humanity.

Look harder - there are plenty of good people out there, statements like the ones you made prove your own point.

I have lost my trust in America.

What has it done to you?

I pledge no Allegiance to any Flag.

Then, your complaints are meaningless.

I do not support the Military.

Truly insulting because they support you and put their lives on the line every day so that you can live in a free world (although you seem to take advantage of it and hate it.)

I hate the Blind Followers of our Executive Leader.

Remember - YOU elected him, blame yourself, hate yourself.

I hate the Flag Worshippers.

You hate people who are proud of the symbol of the country which allows them to live the way they want to live, to prosper, and flourish in a world where many cannot.

I hate the Corporations.

Many of these "Corporations" were founded by good men and women who wanted to offer someting to humanity. What have you offered to the world but your hatred???

I hate having Capitalism rammed down my Throat.

Then move to a communist country - see how you like not having choices.

I hate the Illusion of Democracy that everyone clings to.

YOU are able to vote for whomever you want to right, and YOU did, right??? That's Democracy, if you do not like the outcome of your choices, blame yourself.

I don't believe in the Illuminati.

Have more faith in yourself and maybe you too can join them.

I don't believe that the Planet is being run by Lizard People.

Neither do I.

I don't believe the President is a Pawn of the Free Masons.

OK

I don't believe I'm being spied on whenever I watch TV.

You aren't.

I don't believe the Government is tracking my every move.

They aren't - they do not care about you - they have more important things to do.

I do believe that the Government is nothing more that a bunch of Greedy, Squabbling, Infantile, Corrupt White Men.

That is flat out racist (see Elvis' comment above) - there are plenty of minority politicians in the Government.

I believe the Country needs to take care of itself before dealing with Foreign Matters.

We are trying, but if we negelected foriegn affairs, there would be no need fo domestic concerns as we would all be dead.

I believe Israel is in the wrong.

That is your own belief, and you can live with that, I just do not see many Israelis blowing themselves up, killing innocents in the name of God.

I believe no good can possibly come of invading Iraq.

How about removing a cruel dictator who cares about nothing but his own gains, kills his own people, and would destroy his neighbors if he had the means and the chance to do so.

I hate the Government.

Then do not vote, and understand that by hating the Government that serves you, you will do no good for yourself or your fellow countrymen.

I hate most of the Citizens of this Once Great Nation.

Read Elvis' comment again, I take this as a a personal affront and you better watch what the hell you say.

I hate the idea that it is the Duty of the United States to provide Freedom and Democracy to the world, when we have none for ourselves.

You seem to be someone who is able at the minimum to post your opinions on the internet, that is something the majority of the planet is not able to do - think about it, and try your hardest not to be so naive.

I hate the People who cannot see that I have every Right to say all this and still be American.

You definitely have the right to say this and still be American - that is the beauty of our country, but also understand that we as a people have a right to fight your insults, exaggerations, and shallow ignorant thoughts.

There are better, freer countries out there.

I will be the first one to send you an engraved invitation for you to move to one of them.

This is my home. I hate to see it like this.

Then do something positive about it and try to change the things you hate rather that make statements thart begin with "I hate..." instead of "I hate, therefore I am going to..."


Without personally attacking you, I have to say that posts like this truly dismay me. You write this gibberish to get a reply, well here is my reply - stop hating everyone else and look at yourself. How can everyone in the country be bad, how can everyone in the government be against you, how can you have no freedoms when I do, how can you have so many complaints against everyone else without taking some blame yourself. Your post displays the true ignorance that most people in this world hate Americans for. Go tell a starving child in Russia that you hate capitalism, see how they react. Go tell an Israeli child who has witnessed and escaped from suicide bombers that she is in the wrong. Go live in China for a little while and see how many freedoms you have.

The point is this, if you do not like America either do something to change the things you dislike, or in your case - hate, or move away. if you are convinced that there are other places that fulfill your needs, you have every freedom to move to those places, but remember many do not have that freedom.

Before you choose to spew out ignorant posts like this on a website dedicated to a band who fights for other people's rights think about if it is the appropriate place to do so.

To close, if you do not like it here, do not let the emmigration door hit you in the ass on your way out.
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In America, you have the right to actually say what you just did.

ok i just have to comment on this.
'not just in America'
you do realise that you are free to say anything in most first world countries and also a few third world ones. i lived in the middle east, in the UAE and kuwait and i could walk around shouting profanities about the government and ruling families in public and i wouldn't get harassed by the police. in kuwait, even the newspapers critisized the government on a daily basis.
again, all the freedoms available in America are available in other countries using common sense as opposed to being written in the constitution for stupid people to keep getting reminded by it.
people might be less tolerant of what you say and do in other countries, but then again they don't wear a happy mask either.
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HATE, HATE, HATE, just a little bit o' HATE!
HATE, HATE, HATE, just a little bit o' HAA-A-ATE!
You don't need a whole lot,
Just share what you've got,
of HATE, HATE, HATE just a little bit o' HATE!
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i lived in the middle east, in the UAE and kuwait and i could walk around shouting profanities about the government and ruling families in public and i wouldn't get harassed by the police.
I'm not trying to pick your argument apart or anything, I just wanted to point out that I know of a female who was travelling in UAE and was arrested for "cussing" in a bar. Maybe only females are arrested for cussing in bars in UAE, so perhaps it is a "cultural" thing as we are often told...

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I'm not trying to pick your argument apart or anything, I just wanted to point out that I know of a female who was travelling in UAE and was arrested for "cussing" in a bar. Maybe only females are arrested for cussing in bars in UAE, so perhaps it is a "cultural" thing as we are often told...

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In my travels I have been to Egypt and Saudi Arabia (and many, many more) under conditions where I could observe the women interact with other women and males in their society. In Saudi, women could not speak (to a man, unless spoken too first) much less run around yelling profanities.

Egypt is a lot more relaxed, but still there is no women's lib movement like we have and Afghanistan women probably have more "freedom" now than the Egyptian women. OF course, that is an opinion. I still observed many Egyptian women following the "customs" though.
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Free speech. Hehehe. You guys cant win! Say you love your president, you get attacked. Say you hate your president, you get attacked. Say you hate certain things about your country, you get attacked. Say you love certain things about your country, you get attacked (for having an ego etc).

No matter what side an American sits on, you seem to cop it from the other side. What exactly is freedom of speech there?

Just curious.
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Old 08-24-2002, 04:52 AM   #33
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I pledge no Allegiance to any Flag.

Then, your complaints are meaningless.

I do not support the Military.

Truly insulting because they support you and put their lives on the line every day so that you can live in a free world (although you seem to take advantage of it and hate it.)

I hate the Corporations.

Many of these "Corporations" were founded by good men and women who wanted to offer someting to humanity. What have you offered to the world but your hatred???

I hate having Capitalism rammed down my Throat.

Then move to a communist country - see how you like not having choices.

I hate the Illusion of Democracy that everyone clings to.

YOU are able to vote for whomever you want to right, and YOU did, right??? That's Democracy, if you do not like the outcome of your choices, blame yourself.

I believe the Country needs to take care of itself before dealing with Foreign Matters.

We are trying, but if we negelected foriegn affairs, there would be no need fo domestic concerns as we would all be dead.

I hate most of the Citizens of this Once Great Nation.

Read Elvis' comment again, I take this as a a personal affront and you better watch what the hell you say.



Without personally attacking you, I have to say that posts like this truly dismay me. You write this gibberish to get a reply, well here is my reply - stop hating everyone else and look at yourself. How can everyone in the country be bad, how can everyone in the government be against you, how can you have no freedoms when I do, how can you have so many complaints against everyone else without taking some blame yourself. Your post displays the true ignorance that most people in this world hate Americans for. Go tell a starving child in Russia that you hate capitalism, see how they react. Go tell an Israeli child who has witnessed and escaped from suicide bombers that she is in the wrong. Go live in China for a little while and see how many freedoms you have.

The point is this, if you do not like America either do something to change the things you dislike, or in your case - hate, or move away. if you are convinced that there are other places that fulfill your needs, you have every freedom to move to those places, but remember many do not have that freedom.

Before you choose to spew out ignorant posts like this on a website dedicated to a band who fights for other people's rights think about if it is the appropriate place to do so.

To close, if you do not like it here, do not let the emmigration door hit you in the ass on your way out.

Without personally attacking you, I think your post has the value of a cherry pit.

Why are comments meaningless if someone doesnīt pledge alliace to any flag?

Why is it insulting to not support the military when a soldier in most cases does a job he has chosen to do, with or without all its risks. I could understand your argument if you talked about doctors; not to support the Red Cross, might be insulting to some of the peace loving persons on this board, because doctors actually save lives every day. Now, you could answer that military saves lives every day, but you know, most people donīt believe that sort of hype. Weapons are built for killing, they are not medicines.

Corporations? Yeah, Rockefeller wanted to offer sth. to humanity. But how did he get rich ? And what have you offered to the world, dear ouizy? Your presence? Great.

Capitalism is rammed down our throats because it is the dominating system today. About this we donīt have any choice. So capitalism means all choices only to those who are in control. Less choices for the middle class, like you and me, but if they can decide which kind of car they like, thatīs enough choice for most of the sheep. Some like to exaggerate it, with civil society thoughts et al, but nevermind, when things get too rough, they are simply shot, like in Genova last year. No choices for clochards in our own prosperous countries, they canīt decide if to sleep under the bridge or in a bed. Not even a thought about what choosing is for those dying of hunger.

Oh yeah, capitalism. I forgot we are allowed to vote sometimes; what a great thing... it really changes things a lot, hasnīt the world truly improved in the last ten years? And how many parties, how many programs, so intersting to see all those different policies...

You think you would all be dead if you didnīt provoke wars in all the world? Now, if I was a shrink,...

You better watch what the hell you say? Allow me a big grin. And now, have fun in the kindergarten. You donīt think that was full of hate as well?

And sentences like "Go tell a starving child in Russia that you hate capitalism, see how they react"... are you Russian, or what? First this is a stupid example, because, thanks to God, there are not millions of starving children there. They have a hard time, but not as hard as people in India or Africa or Bangladesh. And then, if you enlight them with words like capitalism, they will spit into your face. Because the last ten years their country was robbed by capitalists. And the original thought of those brave men and women, that capitalism would be paradise because you can buy anything, is dead - because they see they donīt have the money, and only get cynical laughs from western Europe ("Ha, what the hell didya think - that its eeeeeaaaaaaaasssssyyyyyyyy??? Just sign another credit!").

Yeah, you should go and live in China for a while, ouizy. So you see how a country feeds - more or less - one billion of people, not 250 millions, and itīs all rice. Or better: why donīt you become a Nike manager and live in a trade free zone in China? Then you can take a look at all those people suffering and bleeding for our well prepared neoliberalistic capitalist knowhow.

So, before you choose to spew out ignorant posts like yours on a website dedicated to a band who fights for peoples rights, think about if its the appropriate place to do so.

Peace.
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I'm not trying to pick your argument apart or anything, I just wanted to point out that I know of a female who was travelling in UAE and was arrested for "cussing" in a bar. Maybe only females are arrested for cussing in bars in UAE, so perhaps it is a "cultural" thing as we are often told...

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a friend of mine was arrested for excessive cussing outside a bar here in the US of A. it's called 'verbal agression'.
i guess it's not a 'cultural' thing after all.
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a friend of mine was arrested for excessive cussing outside a bar here in the US of A. it's called 'verbal agression'.
i guess it's not a 'cultural' thing after all.
I do not know the circumstances of your friend (apparently outside on a public road or sidewalk?), but the female I was discussing used a word like "damn" in private table conversation and was overheard. Not "excessive" and not outside. And she would have been okay to cuss if she were not a female.

Was your friend loud and disorderly? There is also a thing known as disorderly conduct.

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with all respect to your friend bama, either she was lying about the severity of her 'cussing' or the fact that she got arrested for 'cussing' alone. she was probably drunk, and doesn't remember clearly what she did to get arrested, if that even happened.
in a country like the UAE, and in a bar no less, it's simply not possible to get arrested for saying 'damn' an english, christian, blasphamous word that isn't even a swear word in arabic or islam. i have been to the UAE with my sisters, i'm sure they 'cussed' a lot on the streets, using arabic words no less, and at the shops haggling for clothes. why did they not get arrested?
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with all respect to your friend bama, either she was lying
With all due respect to YOU, CannibalisticArtist, I do not know exactly what word she used, but she got arrested for swearing/cussing/dirty words whatever we want to call them, in a bar. Not for being drunk. And I think she remembered it quite well, as it DID happen. Tacky on your part.

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You can't get locked up for cussing in the UAE. Nor even in Saudi Arabia.

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She did; mid-1980s. Hard to believe, I know. Sad but true.

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look bama, it's not possible ok? it's not tacky on my part to question your friend's complaint legitamacy, but it is simply not possible and is frankly quite laughable.
if she did get arrested, in a bar, in the UAE, then she must've been doing something ELSE.
lying or exaggerating choose your option. it's a bar, drinking HAPPENS.
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