I hearby take offense to the following...

unforgettableFOXfire · 01-11-2002, 08:45 PM

When other people become offended over stupid trivial statements that were harmless in nature and were not intended to be vicious or offensive to anyone when they were made.

I personally get a lil pissed off when people jump on something and say theyre offended without knowing (or listening) to what the person means. I mean for fucks sake... its never up to the person speaking, its up to the person who is offended, but they choose to be offended... if someone said hey you, and i found some roundabout way of proving sexual connotation in that, i could claim they were sexual harassing me, and frankly thats just wrong, people take things way too seriously and go way overboard with things. Then, whats just as bad, is when people dont want to react to the situation... I mean they cant even have their own opinions on things because theyre too busy worrying what other people will say. They dont want to take sides, because they dont want to be "part of the problem" in the eyes of the offended, people dont wnat to be criticized.

I for one think people are full of shit and just look for ways to make themselves look better than others by taking offense to what someone said by making the accused offender look like a bad individual which in turn gets the offended publicity and looks better (by comparasin ot the person who looks worse ie the one that did the offending).

Thats my opinion, open to discussion. Thank you for your time.

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Zoomerang96 · 01-11-2002, 08:50 PM

if your talking about the thread where i was bugging you before, i was joking too.... just so you know that...

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unforgettableFOXfire · 01-11-2002, 08:53 PM

I actually wasnt, Im simply stating something that has irked me for the greatest long while, and intended to finally free my mind... which is why im leaving it open to discussion, see if other people share my thoughts or think im full of shit and should die a horrible horrible death.

mikal · 01-11-2002, 09:01 PM

So basically, you hate everyone?

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Look what you did, you little JERK!

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U2Bama · 01-11-2002, 09:08 PM

-Complimentary chips & salsa
-Cheese Dip
-2 Michelob Lights
-1 beef taco
-2 enchiladas
-1 pork tamale.

unforgettableFOXfire · 01-11-2002, 09:11 PM

If you wish to call it that, hate is such an ugly word, and I dont hate everyone, theres always exceptions to the rule, it just really bugs me when people are all up in arms over something that really shouldnt be that big a deal. Human idiocy is quite irritating and yet it has to be dealt with no a frequent basis, more than it should. Its just... gah... ok, well not hate, how about I hold them distainfully in my mind. LOL.

unforgettableFOXfire · 01-11-2002, 09:12 PM

Thanks to Bama for his ever useful 2 cents worth. LOL. mmmmm salsa...

speedracer · 01-11-2002, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by U2Bama:
-Complimentary chips & salsa
-Cheese Dip
-2 Michelob Lights
-1 beef taco
-2 enchiladas
-1 pork tamale.

You're not posting from the bathroom, are you?

Kieran McConville · 01-11-2002, 09:22 PM

I think a lot of ill-feeling might be avoided if some of these things were left to sort themselves out. ie. some threads deserve to be shut down, but not everyone has enough history on Interference to know the reasons. Some posters do acquire a reputation for being offensive in their ways.

But at the same time, an awful lot of nonoffensive, but stupid, attention-seeking threads spin their merry way every day on Interference. And the general vibe seems to be 'If you don't like it, don't read it', or 'why take it so seriously, it's only the Internet' (ie. not a REAL community).

Me, I do believe this is as much a community as any. We are all people, irrespective of whatever bizarre name we might adopt.

But it would help is perhaps moderators, when they take a decision to shut down something 'offensive', might take the time to elaborate on their reasons. The 'no questions asked' approach seems to me to be fertile soil for discontent. And yeah, that includes even more shit-stirring from the small minority who really are just here to make trouble (that's a very small minority, IMO).

An example far worse than this current 'gay voice thread', would be the massive homosexuality and religion debates that raged in Free Your Mind about 18 months ago. I read that stuff intently, though not a member of Interference at the time. And it got pretty vicious at times. Probably too vicious. But at least it didn't divert off into another five or ten threads about 'why am I being gagged blah blah blah...'

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"There's a wild thing in the woolshed
and it's keeping me awake at night
A devil in the closet
and a feeling I'd prefer to hide
He is religion
He won't hear me when I cry for help
He has a vision of me
but I am somebody else..."

U2Bama · 01-11-2002, 09:24 PM

no

adam's_mistress · 01-11-2002, 10:10 PM

I think the mods in general are doing a great job, but I also feel that with any great job done there's stessful moments. It's a job like any other, and everyone has their off days. Mods are not above human, and though they run the risk of closing threads or deleting them out of frustration or whatever the root causes may be, it is unfair to hold anything against them. I personally see no problem with questioning their motives, as when a thread is closed, it's like a shop is closed in a community and the people want to know why. I've done my own share of modding other forums and the job is especially difficult given the nature of forums that breed criticism, debate, and arguing. I know how hard it is to keep a level head, I know how hard it is to bite the bullet.

Compared with how this forum was run a few months ago, I have to give big ups to the mods who handle it now. What happened today was, imo (granted I've been lurking for a long time now) an exception to the norm. I think it's good to talk these things out and get them in the open. That way we know where everyone from the mods to the boarders, stand.

I've been here in the past under a different name. I never racked up a huge post count, and quite frankly I wasn't outspoken enough to be remembered. I spent a LOT of time in this forum reading all those debates that turned into mean spirited nastiness. Thankfully, that "nasty" person who incited so much anger was banned. But how long did that take? I felt the mods were sitting on their hands, and given my newbie status at the time and given everyone being "tight" with the mods, I didn't feel at ease speaking my mind.

To be honest, I washed my hands of not only this forum, but of all of interference. It is not my intention to dig up past dirt, but this is something I've been wanting to get off my chest for months and months. The straws that broke my back were a couple of nasty threads in FYM: one which had to do with homosexuality, the other with child rearing. I will not name names because I know that person had a lot of allies, but that person was modding every forum including FYM. That person became actively involved in above mentioned threads. This person was on a powertrip with threats borderlining personal contempt, spewing complete and utter nonsense about the subject matter at hand, had absolutely nothing nice to say about anyone or anything, refused to be sympathetic or at least tolerant of another person's viewpoint, and was constantly contradicting oneself. And when that person was criticized (by me) I was told in so many words that it "was your problem, not mine. If you don't like it then leave." Safe to say, I left because of this one person. How could I feel welcome in a community like this if my thoughts along with the thoughts of others, were constantly being lashed at by a mod who had taken the initiative to be completely irrational with the subject matter at hand, as well as with other board members? Why should I or anyone else feel the need to walk on egg shells in their community?

People say things like "this is the internet, who cares, it's not real, get over yourself, it's not real life." I beg to differ. There are people and feelings behind every monitor, and most people here put their all into their posts. Call me an escapist, but the internet is where I go if I want to shake off a bad day I had in RL. The internet is where I want to go when I want to kill time, and it's where I want to go if I want to talk. It's also where I want to go to meet other people with like interests. It's where I want to go to feel a part of something, a part of a community being glued together by something we all share and enjoy.

Lemonite · 01-12-2002, 09:33 AM

The best way to settle things when voices get angry, and comments get pithy, and Bill Maher is Tied Naked to a Flag Pole pelted with egg yolks.... The solution... It's easy...

Just Feed Everyone a nice Fat and Warm Danza Slap!

Enjoy

Lemonite Unplugged
~Promoting a Healthier and Alcohol Infested Forum

[This message has been edited by Lemonite (edited 01-12-2002).]

unforgettableFOXfire · 01-12-2002, 10:30 AM

My intent was not to bring up past threads, but since they were only mentioned in passing, I will leave that be as the great majority of what i have read is worth thinking about. I have my own thoughts about the recent happenings, however I do not wish this thread to turn into an extention of the last one, the powers that be, whether wrong or right, closed the last one and will close this one too if it comes down to that.

Also, thanks Speedracer and Lemonite for that lovely input which had nothing to do with anything

Well... actually Lemonite does have a point about slapping people... but thats besides the point.

Now then, anyone else or am I gunna get stuck with a whole 12 posts, 4 or 5 of which dont really mean anything? lol

bono-vox · 01-12-2002, 06:11 PM

I totally agree with you unforgettable FOXfire...I hate the way people can be so twisty and provoke arguments etc, gee what is up with ppl these days??

**KhanadaRhodes** · 01-12-2002, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by U2Bama:
no

further proof bama is insane...
another point: he insists on calling everyone by their full handle, never shortening it. (at least i've never seen him do it.)

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Kieran McConville · 01-12-2002, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KhanadaRhodes:
further proof bama is insane...
another point: he insists on calling everyone by their full handle, never shortening it. (at least i've never seen him do it.)

I think maybe he was replying to an earlier post asking if he was writing from his bathroom. Either that or he was just expressing a general sentiment.

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"There's a wild thing in the woolshed
and it's keeping me awake at night
A devil in the closet
and a feeling I'd prefer to hide
He is religion
He won't hear me when I cry for help
He has a vision of me
but I am somebody else..."

U2Bama · 01-12-2002, 10:30 PM

Yes, Kieran is correct; I was replying to speedracer's earlier post inquiring as to whether I was using the bathroom.

~U2Alabama

**KhanadaRhodes** · 01-13-2002, 12:20 AM

no no no no lol sorry i didn't word that right...i quoted the wrong message, sorry. i meant to quote that one where he was talking about the food.

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when you stop taking chances, you'll stay where you sit. you won't live any longer, but it'll feel like it.
ME!

zooropamanda · 01-13-2002, 05:33 AM

Foxfire, I totally agree.
I also think on the net, because there is no tone to go along with what is essentially conversational talk, there will always be misunderstanding. For some reason people are quick to jump to conclusions. Not sure why myself, but yes I do think you are correct.

Anthony · 01-13-2002, 07:11 AM

"I think the mods in general are doing a great job, but I also feel that with any great job done there's stessful moments".

I think having mods in a forum called 'FREE YOUR MIND' is pretty much like saying "Free your mind.... but don't".

Ant.

01-11-2002, 08:45 PM	#1
unforgettableFOXfire I serve MacPhisto Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,053 Local Time: 05:49 PM	I hearby take offense to the following... When other people become offended over stupid trivial statements that were harmless in nature and were not intended to be vicious or offensive to anyone when they were made. I personally get a lil pissed off when people jump on something and say theyre offended without knowing (or listening) to what the person means. I mean for fucks sake... its never up to the person speaking, its up to the person who is offended, but they choose to be offended... if someone said hey you, and i found some roundabout way of proving sexual connotation in that, i could claim they were sexual harassing me, and frankly thats just wrong, people take things way too seriously and go way overboard with things. Then, whats just as bad, is when people dont want to react to the situation... I mean they cant even have their own opinions on things because theyre too busy worrying what other people will say. They dont want to take sides, because they dont want to be "part of the problem" in the eyes of the offended, people dont wnat to be criticized. I for one think people are full of shit and just look for ways to make themselves look better than others by taking offense to what someone said by making the accused offender look like a bad individual which in turn gets the offended publicity and looks better (by comparasin ot the person who looks worse ie the one that did the offending). Thats my opinion, open to discussion. Thank you for your time. ------------------ Thank you! We have confirmed your identity, ~unforgettableFOXfire~ (The Fly) I am the UberFly, 600 posts and counting! __________________

01-11-2002, 08:50 PM	#2
Zoomerang96 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: canada Posts: 13,465 Local Time: 05:49 PM	if your talking about the thread where i was bugging you before, i was joking too.... just so you know that... ------------------ -death bear __________________

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Anthony Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,538 Local Time: 10:49 PM	"I think the mods in general are doing a great job, but I also feel that with any great job done there's stessful moments". I think having mods in a forum called 'FREE YOUR MIND' is pretty much like saying "Free your mind.... but don't". Ant. __________________

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01-11-2002, 08:53 PM	#3
unforgettableFOXfire I serve MacPhisto Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,053 Local Time: 05:49 PM	I actually wasnt, Im simply stating something that has irked me for the greatest long while, and intended to finally free my mind... which is why im leaving it open to discussion, see if other people share my thoughts or think im full of shit and should die a horrible horrible death.

01-11-2002, 09:01 PM	#4
mikal Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Black Lodge Posts: 28,274 Local Time: 05:49 PM	So basically, you hate everyone? ------------------ Look what you did, you little JERK! Kevin! You're such a disease!

01-11-2002, 09:08 PM	#5
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 05:49 PM	-Complimentary chips & salsa -Cheese Dip -2 Michelob Lights -1 beef taco -2 enchiladas -1 pork tamale.

01-11-2002, 09:11 PM	#6
unforgettableFOXfire I serve MacPhisto Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,053 Local Time: 05:49 PM	If you wish to call it that, hate is such an ugly word, and I dont hate everyone, theres always exceptions to the rule, it just really bugs me when people are all up in arms over something that really shouldnt be that big a deal. Human idiocy is quite irritating and yet it has to be dealt with no a frequent basis, more than it should. Its just... gah... ok, well not hate, how about I hold them distainfully in my mind. LOL.

01-11-2002, 09:12 PM	#7
unforgettableFOXfire I serve MacPhisto Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,053 Local Time: 05:49 PM	Thanks to Bama for his ever useful 2 cents worth. LOL. mmmmm salsa...

01-11-2002, 09:22 PM	#9
Kieran McConville ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hi, Violet Posts: 10,253 Local Time: 08:49 AM	I think a lot of ill-feeling might be avoided if some of these things were left to sort themselves out. ie. some threads deserve to be shut down, but not everyone has enough history on Interference to know the reasons. Some posters do acquire a reputation for being offensive in their ways. But at the same time, an awful lot of nonoffensive, but stupid, attention-seeking threads spin their merry way every day on Interference. And the general vibe seems to be 'If you don't like it, don't read it', or 'why take it so seriously, it's only the Internet' (ie. not a REAL community). Me, I do believe this is as much a community as any. We are all people, irrespective of whatever bizarre name we might adopt. But it would help is perhaps moderators, when they take a decision to shut down something 'offensive', might take the time to elaborate on their reasons. The 'no questions asked' approach seems to me to be fertile soil for discontent. And yeah, that includes even more shit-stirring from the small minority who really are just here to make trouble (that's a very small minority, IMO). An example far worse than this current 'gay voice thread', would be the massive homosexuality and religion debates that raged in Free Your Mind about 18 months ago. I read that stuff intently, though not a member of Interference at the time. And it got pretty vicious at times. Probably too vicious. But at least it didn't divert off into another five or ten threads about 'why am I being gagged blah blah blah...' ------------------ "There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night A devil in the closet and a feeling I'd prefer to hide He is religion He won't hear me when I cry for help He has a vision of me but I am somebody else..."

01-11-2002, 09:24 PM	#10
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 05:49 PM	no

01-11-2002, 10:10 PM	#11
adam's_mistress Acrobat Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Queen Lurker Posts: 323 Local Time: 10:49 PM	I think the mods in general are doing a great job, but I also feel that with any great job done there's stessful moments. It's a job like any other, and everyone has their off days. Mods are not above human, and though they run the risk of closing threads or deleting them out of frustration or whatever the root causes may be, it is unfair to hold anything against them. I personally see no problem with questioning their motives, as when a thread is closed, it's like a shop is closed in a community and the people want to know why. I've done my own share of modding other forums and the job is especially difficult given the nature of forums that breed criticism, debate, and arguing. I know how hard it is to keep a level head, I know how hard it is to bite the bullet. Compared with how this forum was run a few months ago, I have to give big ups to the mods who handle it now. What happened today was, imo (granted I've been lurking for a long time now) an exception to the norm. I think it's good to talk these things out and get them in the open. That way we know where everyone from the mods to the boarders, stand. I've been here in the past under a different name. I never racked up a huge post count, and quite frankly I wasn't outspoken enough to be remembered. I spent a LOT of time in this forum reading all those debates that turned into mean spirited nastiness. Thankfully, that "nasty" person who incited so much anger was banned. But how long did that take? I felt the mods were sitting on their hands, and given my newbie status at the time and given everyone being "tight" with the mods, I didn't feel at ease speaking my mind. To be honest, I washed my hands of not only this forum, but of all of interference. It is not my intention to dig up past dirt, but this is something I've been wanting to get off my chest for months and months. The straws that broke my back were a couple of nasty threads in FYM: one which had to do with homosexuality, the other with child rearing. I will not name names because I know that person had a lot of allies, but that person was modding every forum including FYM. That person became actively involved in above mentioned threads. This person was on a powertrip with threats borderlining personal contempt, spewing complete and utter nonsense about the subject matter at hand, had absolutely nothing nice to say about anyone or anything, refused to be sympathetic or at least tolerant of another person's viewpoint, and was constantly contradicting oneself. And when that person was criticized (by me) I was told in so many words that it "was your problem, not mine. If you don't like it then leave." Safe to say, I left because of this one person. How could I feel welcome in a community like this if my thoughts along with the thoughts of others, were constantly being lashed at by a mod who had taken the initiative to be completely irrational with the subject matter at hand, as well as with other board members? Why should I or anyone else feel the need to walk on egg shells in their community? People say things like "this is the internet, who cares, it's not real, get over yourself, it's not real life." I beg to differ. There are people and feelings behind every monitor, and most people here put their all into their posts. Call me an escapist, but the internet is where I go if I want to shake off a bad day I had in RL. The internet is where I want to go when I want to kill time, and it's where I want to go if I want to talk. It's also where I want to go to meet other people with like interests. It's where I want to go to feel a part of something, a part of a community being glued together by something we all share and enjoy.

01-12-2002, 09:33 AM	#12
Lemonite I'm a chauvinist leprechaun Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Notre Dame, IN, 46556 Posts: 1,072 Local Time: 10:49 PM	The best way to settle things when voices get angry, and comments get pithy, and Bill Maher is Tied Naked to a Flag Pole pelted with egg yolks.... The solution... It's easy... Just Feed Everyone a nice Fat and Warm Danza Slap! Enjoy Lemonite Unplugged ~Promoting a Healthier and Alcohol Infested Forum [This message has been edited by Lemonite (edited 01-12-2002).]

01-12-2002, 10:30 AM	#13
unforgettableFOXfire I serve MacPhisto Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,053 Local Time: 05:49 PM	My intent was not to bring up past threads, but since they were only mentioned in passing, I will leave that be as the great majority of what i have read is worth thinking about. I have my own thoughts about the recent happenings, however I do not wish this thread to turn into an extention of the last one, the powers that be, whether wrong or right, closed the last one and will close this one too if it comes down to that. Also, thanks Speedracer and Lemonite for that lovely input which had nothing to do with anything Well... actually Lemonite does have a point about slapping people... but thats besides the point. Now then, anyone else or am I gunna get stuck with a whole 12 posts, 4 or 5 of which dont really mean anything? lol

01-12-2002, 06:11 PM	#14
bono-vox Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: maze of your imagination, where the streets have no name, lol Posts: 3,436 Local Time: 08:49 AM	I totally agree with you unforgettable FOXfire...I hate the way people can be so twisty and provoke arguments etc, gee what is up with ppl these days??

01-12-2002, 10:30 PM	#17
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 05:49 PM	Yes, Kieran is correct; I was replying to speedracer's earlier post inquiring as to whether I was using the bathroom. ~U2Alabama

01-13-2002, 12:20 AM	#18
KhanadaRhodes Paper Gods Forum Administrator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: a vampire in the limousine Posts: 60,695 Local Time: 04:49 PM	no no no no lol sorry i didn't word that right...i quoted the wrong message, sorry. i meant to quote that one where he was talking about the food. ------------------ when you stop taking chances, you'll stay where you sit. you won't live any longer, but it'll feel like it. ME!

01-13-2002, 05:33 AM	#19
zooropamanda Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Smile, you're reading my post Posts: 6,515 Local Time: 08:49 AM	Foxfire, I totally agree. I also think on the net, because there is no tone to go along with what is essentially conversational talk, there will always be misunderstanding. For some reason people are quick to jump to conclusions. Not sure why myself, but yes I do think you are correct.