I find it QUITE Offensive that some "FANS" seem to think that.....

[melon]

Originally posted by Diamond The U2 Patriot:
The more important pt is that Bono moved THIS OLD CODGER to a better place of understanding/compassion and you give NO acknowledgemment/recognition of this.

Sen. Helms deserves no compassion. The "good Christian" senator deserves to rot in hell for all eternity. You can call this jaded all you want.

Melon

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"Still, I never understood the elevation of greed as a political credo. Why would anyone want to base a political programme on bottomless dissatisfaction and the impossibility of happiness? Perhaps that was its appeal: the promise of luxury that in fact promoted endless work." - Hanif Kureishi, Intimacy

[Diamond The U2 Patriot]

Melon-
Whatever you do please dont spare us your true feelings...

Diamond

[melon]

Another good article on the "good Senator."
http://www.thenewrepublic.com/pundit...art082701.html

Melon

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"Still, I never understood the elevation of greed as a political credo. Why would anyone want to base a political programme on bottomless dissatisfaction and the impossibility of happiness? Perhaps that was its appeal: the promise of luxury that in fact promoted endless work." - Hanif Kureishi, Intimacy

[z edge]

Originally posted by melon:
Sen. Helms deserves no compassion. The "good Christian" senator deserves to rot in hell for all eternity. You can call this jaded all you want.

Melon

Okay you need to calm down now, that is a horrible thing to say.

And you say I'm not receptive?

[melon]

Originally posted by z edge:
Okay you need to calm down now, that is a horrible thing to say.

Do you really want to hear some horrible things to say?

"Your tax dollars are being used to pay for grade-school classes that teach our children that CANNIBALISM, WIFE-SWAPPING and MURDER of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior." -- Jesse Helms fund raising mailer, 1996

"All Latins are volatile people. Hence, I was not surprised at the volatile reaction." -- Jesse Helms after Mexicans protested his visit in 1986

"It's their deliberate, disgusting, revolting conduct that is responsible for the disease." -- Justifying his refusal to give financial support to families of AIDS victims

"Homosexuals are weak, morally sick wretches." -- 1995 radio broadcast

"I've never heard once in this chamber anybody say to the homosexuals, 'Stop what you're doing.' If they would stop what they're doing there would not be one additional case of AIDS in the United States." -- Jesse Helms in the Senate

In fact, I think I was a bit too kind in referring to him...

Melon

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"Still, I never understood the elevation of greed as a political credo. Why would anyone want to base a political programme on bottomless dissatisfaction and the impossibility of happiness? Perhaps that was its appeal: the promise of luxury that in fact promoted endless work." - Hanif Kureishi, Intimacy

[melon]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...&notFound=true

Another one of my favorite articles on him.

I'm finished with this thread. I should know when to stop infuriating myself.

Melon

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"Still, I never understood the elevation of greed as a political credo. Why would anyone want to base a political programme on bottomless dissatisfaction and the impossibility of happiness? Perhaps that was its appeal: the promise of luxury that in fact promoted endless work." - Hanif Kureishi, Intimacy

[Diamond The U2 Patriot]

Melon-
First off thank you for your contributions to this thread and your viewpoints.
My hope is that you will not leave mad.

However, I will choose Bono's form of-
-Tolerence
-Compassion
-Understanding
-Open-Mindedness
-for ALL people,-(even grumpy old bigots)

-gays
-straights
-blacks
-whites
-libs
and
-conseratives..(even the ones that need help and enlightenment)

Peace
Out
Diamond



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[z edge]

Originally posted by melon:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId =A10822-2001Aug28�Found=true

Another one of my favorite articles on him.

I'm finished with this thread. I should know when to stop infuriating myself.

Melon

You really should learn when to grow up. Maybe some day you will, and turn your hate/anger for Helms and conservatives in general into something constructive.

It is an outrage that you would even stoop so low as to post that he should rot ___ ___....! I expected better of you.


And you didn't even bother to post those "excerpts" in full context, if their even accurate-which given the source (someone who would post that another person should rot ___ ___,) why shouldn't I be suspect?

And you say I'm not receptive because I don't want to read your "links" or doubt their validity. No freaking wonder, your anger and unacceptable judgement makes me doubt anything you would ever post now/

I have joked with you before, but you never seem to respond, and I have taken your side and shared your beliefs on at least one recurring issue.

Believe me, this time I AM focusing on the PERSON and NOT the issue.

[U2Bama]

Originally posted by melon:
Sen. Helms deserves no compassion. The "good Christian" senator deserves to rot in hell for all eternity. You can call this jaded all you want.

Congratulations, Melon; you have lowered yourself to the same level as the Seantor's quotes which you listed. I am disappointed.

~U2Alabama

[U2live]

cannot believe anyone wanting in anyway, shape, or form to "defend" Jesse Helms or any of his ilk. It's like saying positive things about slavery or murder. why would anyone want to be connected to that person in anyway. go melon.

[melon]

Defending Sen. Jesse Helms is proof positive that many would defend Satan if he decided one day to be a "conservative." Democrats and Republicans aside, this man is best off forgotten in the annals of time. The Republican Party will more than benefit from his departure. It is Congressmen like him--and the fact that he is not only defended, but encouraged by the party--that will prevent me from ever voting Republican. It is still nothing more than a rich-old-white-"Christian"-male bigot club to me...and Sen. Helms is all of the above.

DB9, I actually appreciate your last statement. But Sen. Helms would likely label everything you said as "communist."

Read the links, z edge. Are you afraid to? I have always read the links posted by conservatives, no matter how ridiculous I thought them to be. If you wish to only read one, read the Washington Post one.

If it is any consolation to any of you, my opinion of Sen. Helms does not reflect my opinion of everyone in the Republican Party. But the fact that the party machine still idolizes him is enough to show that the party still has a lot of problems.

Melon

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"Still, I never understood the elevation of greed as a political credo. Why would anyone want to base a political programme on bottomless dissatisfaction and the impossibility of happiness? Perhaps that was its appeal: the promise of luxury that in fact promoted endless work." - Hanif Kureishi, Intimacy

[Diamond The U2 Patriot]

Melon-
One last observation.
As a Republican, I think silently alot of us our biding our time just waiting for the old Senator to leave.
He doesnt reflect the what the current Republican Party has evolve to.
At least Bono enlightened him a bit before his departure.

Your Friend-
Diamond

[Salome]

Originally posted by Diamond The U2 Patriot:
[B]He doesnt reflect the what the current Republican Party has evolve to.
At least Bono enlightened him a bit before his departure.

I don't know much about neither the republican party nor Sen. Helms but form what I've read in this thread I guess Diamond is right about this one

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Salome
Shake it, shake it, shake it

[Diamond The U2 Patriot]

Originally posted by Salome:
[b]

I don't know much about neither the republican party nor Sen. Helms but form what I've read in this thread I guess Diamond is right about this one

Thank you-
Salome.

D
B
9

[melon]

Originally posted by z edge:
You really should learn when to grow up. Maybe some day you will, and turn your hate/anger for Helms and conservatives in general into something constructive.

You generally cannot do, nor prove, yourself on a web forum. All you can do is gripe.

As for the "constructive" part, I've already thought about it. I'm half deciding to run as a Republican senator. Yes, that's right. If I can't disassemble this party from the outside, I'm going to do it from the inside. I have *enough* of a Republican platform in me that I can do it. Now I'm just putting my time in before I can do so...

Melon

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"Still, I never understood the elevation of greed as a political credo. Why would anyone want to base a political programme on bottomless dissatisfaction and the impossibility of happiness? Perhaps that was its appeal: the promise of luxury that in fact promoted endless work." - Hanif Kureishi, Intimacy

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[U2Bama]

If you remember, Bono said he would "meet with Satan," and sings that he has "held the hand of (a) devil," although I can assure you I would never vote for Satan.

I did not intend to defend Senator Helms (which I don't), but I was a bit shocked by your statment, which seemed out of the ordinary compared to your usual views of Christian judgement, forgiveness and grace.

Good luck in your election, though.

~U2Alabama

[z edge]

Originally posted by melon:
You generally cannot do, nor prove, yourself on a web forum. All you can do is gripe.

Prove something on the internet web forum. Anything I have proved in my 30 years of life has come through actions, understanding, love, pride, and tears. Proof is something earned. If I prove things to people, it's because of a mutual earned right and respect. Therefore, I prove things to people I know, love, and respect. You do not fit in one of these three categories. I used to respect you quite a bit at least, not right at the moment though.

I should add that I respect everyone until they prove me wrong.

So what is it you want me to prove? You want me to "POST A LINK"?? Oh, thats proof beyond a shadow of a doubt

Am I trying to prove that Jesse Helms dosen't deserve to "rot in hell for all eternity"?? Let our Lord be the judge of that. Have you ever heard this before; "Judge not lest ye be judged"?

I said the guy (Helms) wasn't a saint, and I never actually defended HIM the person, I was defending his party against someone who uses him to generalize the party in the cleverest of ways. Most of my gripe was defending his "soul" from eternal damnation.

All I can do is gripe. LOL, yeah I gripe, sure. But you don't, as your are borderline perfection in every aspect and always right (see, I am receptive)

As for the "constructive" part, I've already thought about it. I'm half deciding to run as a Republican senator. Yes, that's right. If I can't disassemble this party from the outside, I'm going to do it from the inside. I have *enough* of a Republican platform in me that I can do it. Now I'm just putting my time in before I can do so...

Melon

Okay, go for it (thumbs up)! (you just made my day)

Let me offer this, a good way to a political career as a republican often starts with a couple of years in the military. As an officer, I think you would have to serve possibly six years though but it is a very prestigious charge. The military does wonders for your self esteem and self motivation, and is much more "accomidating" than you may believe.

I know because I served almost 7 years in the army, and I have just joined the civilian sector of the air force making more money than I ever have in my life and happy to get up every morning and spend YOUR hard earned tax dollars on "stuff" we cannot discuss

The most gratifying part of my entire term was when people would take the time out of their life to come and tell me that they appreciated my contribution and risking my life for them, their ability to have opinions and to enjoy the freedom we provide. It's true, I think you would like it.

My only other advice regarding your future run is to toughen up your skin a bit. Your current temperment won't get your to your post. You will need to absorb 150,000 times anything remotely resembling an arguement or "personal attack" you might have read in this forum. And you will have to absorb it with confidence (that you won't blow up), committment (to your constituents), focus (that you will not let them knock you down) resilience (when they DO knock you down you bounce back stronger from it) conviction (you obviously have that) and charisma.

And if you make it, I hope we don't have jackasses out there on web forum's telling whoever listens that you need to rot in hell for all of eternity!

Good Day
xoxoxo


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[z edge]

Originally posted by melon:
Defending Sen. Jesse Helms is proof positive that many would defend Satan if he decided one day to be a "conservative."

Your true agenda reveals itself once again; remembering the thread where I asked you if you would still hate G.W. Bush if he could achieve( at this point I named off a hypothetical list of major feats including; world peace, cure for aids/all disease, end poverty, etc) and you said "yes" you would still hate him no matter what he did. That makes as much sense as voting for satan only because he is a "republican candidate" See this is your agenda, Stop trying to use twisted logic that makes sense to you against conservatives.

Jesse Helms is just an excuse here for you to attack the entire republican party (which you now want to be a part of?) like usual. The only difference is that you have to use the back door because of Bush's unstoppable popularity (at least in the USA) and the Bush-bono connection (yeah I've noticed ) that has you in near fits.

It is Congressmen like him--and the fact that he is not only defended, but encouraged by the party--that will prevent me from ever voting Republican.

Should you actually run, you might need your own vote!



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I want you to know
That you don't need me anymore...

[Salome]

Melon, though I do not agree with z edge that you are using Helms as an excuse "to attack the entire republican party" I do feel that you have used up your share of bold statements to try and get a rise out off the republicans in this forum


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Salome
Shake it, shake it, shake it

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[U2live]

and what exactly is it "the current Republican party has evolved to?" By the way, can't stand any politicians, they're all frauds, sleezebags, and they only serve the people who buy them their office, in the case of Bush that's oil companies and Enron. He still has to decimate Alaska for them as payback also.