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Old 04-04-2002, 09:36 PM   #61
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You should change your handle to U2Homa, THEN you can use the ~U2Oklahoma sig.
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Jesse Helms is an old racist from way back with ties to the KKK, and actively worked against desegregation. He and Bono have so much in common.
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For what it's worth, Senator Robert Byrd, a Democrat from West Virginia, is a former Klan member; Al Gore's father also had Klan connections.

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So is it true that you have to be a US citizen and born in the US to become President? I know that to stand for election to the House or Senate you have to have been a US citizen for a certain number of years, but for President you have to be a native-born US citizen?
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So is it true that you have to be a US citizen and born in the US to become President? I know that to stand for election to the House or Senate you have to have been a US citizen for a certain number of years, but for President you have to be a native-born US citizen?
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So is it true that you have to be a US citizen and born in the US to become President? I know that to stand for election to the House or Senate you have to have been a US citizen for a certain number of years, but for President you have to be a native-born US citizen?
As much as I love Bono/U2, I don't think I would vote for him even if it were possible

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So is it true that you have to be a US citizen and born in the US to become President? I know that to stand for election to the House or Senate you have to have been a US citizen for a certain number of years, but for President you have to be a native-born US citizen?
As much as I love Bono/U2, I don't think I would vote for him even if it were possible

Yeah Z-but we'd have to give him a real righteous cabinet post or ambassadorship.

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For what it's worth, Senator Robert Byrd, a Democrat from West Virginia, is a former Klan member; Al Gore's father also had Klan connections.

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'tis true that no one political party or religion has a monoploy on racism.
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Jesse Helms is an old racist from way back with ties to the KKK, and actively worked against desegregation. He and Bono have so much in common.
Let's not forget his treatment of Sen. Carol Moseley Braun, black and female, during the last decade. Oh and his active and successful campaign to dismiss a gay candidate for ambassador to Luxembourg just because he was gay only a couple years back. Such a riot he is. I bet Bono and him are best of friends...

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It's funny how we turn a blind eye when convenient. Here's a fairly objective article on him. It's blunt, but it does tell why he was consistently reelected time and time again.
http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jones/MJ95/bates.html

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Before I even spend my time clicking that link, tell me why I would trust something labeled "motherjones", a viable news source? Forgive my ignorance, I am just suspect of a lot of material out there. I could write something, anything, and people that have never heard it would believe it if it suits their moment.

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Before I even spend my time clicking that link, tell me why I would trust something labeled "motherjones", a viable news source? Forgive my ignorance, I am just suspect of a lot of material out there. I could write something, anything, and people that have never heard it would believe it if it suits their moment.
And tell me why, hypothetically, a Jesse Helms lovefest coming from the "National Review" would be any more credible?

A talent that you'll learn from more free-thinking schools is how to read critically; being able to pick up obvious factual arguments and stuff that looks shaky or adds up to hearsay and conjecture.

So is the fact that Jesse Helms is a fundamentalist, homophobic, misogynist racist all made up all of a sudden, despite the fact that so many people have witnessed it? Or even expoused many of these views in public and in the media?

Quite bluntly, Helms only would like Bono, because he is a white, Christian, straight male. If he were black, agnostic, homosexual and/or female, Helms would doubtfully even give him the time of day. But you can fantasize that Helms is a happy-go-lucky senator all you want.

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I think there is some relevance to what I said, 'Newsweek' is at least considered a reliable source with at least some responsibility for what they print, or some degree of accountability. Thus if they were to name him a racist they'd better be able to back it up.

For instance, these "so called" urban legends that surfaced back in 98 about those people around Bill Clinton that died mysterious deaths or were missing. Was that a credible source? Yet so many people witnessed that.

See my point?

I'm not calling Helms a saint, but why should I believe all of the negative stuff written about him from the left?

I'd rather not be taken up with that game right now.

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Youve got a pt. there about Bono being a straight/white guy and the Sen being at home w/him .
The more important pt is that Bono moved THIS OLD CODGER to a better place of understanding/compassion and you give NO acknowledgemment/recognition of this.
Youre almost as stubborn as the Senator.

People can change even when they're 150 yrs old.
Bono facilitated this.

My observation.
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I'm not calling Helms a saint, but why should I believe all of the negative stuff written about him from the left?
Because the right is as about as blind as it gets when it comes to Sen. Helms, instead championing him as a defender of capitalism and small government, blindly looking the other way for everything else he stands for.

I'm really not going to argue this further either. I'm not about to argue with someone who is clearly not receptive.

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