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Old 04-03-2002, 06:20 PM   #21
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If you really think that Bono sincerely likes such characters as Sen. Jesse Helms, then I think we have a case of willful blindness.

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And if you really think you know who/what Bono likes, and believe what you posted here then yes we do have a case of willful blindness.

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And if you really think you know who/what Bono likes, and believe what you posted here then yes we do have a case of willful blindness.
If you've ever paid attention to any of Bono's religion and politics over the last two decades, do you really think he'd be buddies with Sen. Jesse Helms, who epitomizes intolerance? Think about that, and get back to me.

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If you've ever paid attention to any of Bono's religion and politics over the last two decades, do you really think he'd be buddies with Sen. Jesse Helms, who epitomizes intolerance? Think about that, and get back to me.

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Its not like Bono and Jesse H are going to sing songs around the campfire.
It is nice that Bono was able to enlightened this old codger before he met his maker-dont you think?

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if Bono, Edge, Larry, Adam, any of them liked Orrin Hatch, Bob Barr, Jesse Helms, or any of their ilk, would never buy or listen to another thing they ever put out. Fortunately, their music tells us what they really think.
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Old 04-03-2002, 08:36 PM   #25
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You know..it is possibel to vehemently disagree with a person and still like them. I am not sayign that Bono does like anyone he's worked with at the white house...but maybe he does...maybe he met someone that he liked even though he didn't agree with the views. I have friends who disagree with me on political issues severely, but we like eachother on different accounts...so who knows..maybe bono and orrin hatch really did like discussing radiohead together...?
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You know..it is possibel to vehemently disagree with a person and still like them. I am not sayign that Bono does like anyone he's worked with at the white house...but maybe he does...maybe he met someone that he liked even though he didn't agree with the views. I have friends who disagree with me on political issues severely, but we like eachother on different accounts...so who knows..maybe bono and orrin hatch really did like discussing radiohead together...?
Perfect analogy Popsadie.

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If you've ever paid attention to any of Bono's religion and politics over the last two decades, do you really think he'd be buddies with Sen. Jesse Helms, who epitomizes intolerance? Think about that, and get back to me.

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Well, I can't find where, but there was a magazine article (RS?) a while back where Bono was talking to Thom Yorke about his dealings with 'drop the debt'. Yorke scoffed at his meeting with Jessee Helms and another conservative (who was a Radiohead fan) by saying "great, bad people like our music.." (not a direct quote since I couldn't find the article). Bono's response was, ..."just because they are conservative dosen't mean they are bad..." (once again, not a direct quote).

Does anyone remember this, because I am not making this up.

Melon, this means people mature with age. Anger and rage deflate as well, perhaps Bono has been focused on the issue and not the conservative/politican.

Bono is not a moron like Alec Baldwin or one of those twits who think they sound important because they can stand on their soapbox and denounce conservatives because they are of a different party. Baldwin publicly called the Bush election and 911 the two catastrophic things that happened in 2001. Real smart american guy that Baldwin.

Anyway, I apologize for straying off track here. I hope you aren't in some liberal denial by believing that Bono really hates the conservatives yet is putting on some front to accomplish his goals. IF this were the case, then how would we know when he was pretending or not? How do we know that he isn't pretending he likes us when he really hates us but loves our $$$ and the great life we have given him?

Think about it and get back to me.
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if Bono, Edge, Larry, Adam, any of them liked Orrin Hatch, Bob Barr, Jesse Helms, or any of their ilk, would never buy or listen to another thing they ever put out. Fortunately, their music tells us what they really think.
Well, your punctuation and grammar use is actually worse than mine, so it's hard to tell what your exact meaning is here.

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Nice retort, Brother Edge.-w our resident lib-melon

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As DiamondBono_9 would say:

"It's about transcending boundaries..."

The beautiful thing about Bono is that he has a lot less hatred for other people than some of his fans seem to have.

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Old 04-03-2002, 09:36 PM   #31
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As of late, I've been feeling rather useless in my life. I mean, I don't do a damn thing, and I care about such materialistic things when there are people out in the world starving and in pain. I have been living with extreme internal conflict lately. So I've joined up with Jubilee + and Drop the Debt. I'm educating people around me about what is going on and it has made me feel like I'm doing something. The truth is, everytime I get asked about how I got hooked on these two things in particular I ALWAYS think if I should say 'Bono' as my answer, or make something else up. I always say Bono, and most people are really impressed that a rock star can inspire someone to do such things. If I were to meet him, I'd thank him for helping me feel like I have a purpose again. And I could care less who Bono is with in Washington, I'm ecstatic he's with someone promoting his cause. It's a hell of a lot more than most other huge stars do. Sorry about my rant there....but I sort of answered the original purpose of this thread....

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Old 04-03-2002, 09:55 PM   #33
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I just like to say that there are a lot of U2 fans that make huge assumptions about Bono's politics in the 80s based on his positions on a couple of issue's back then. I would say most of his political views are unknown from back then and its foolish to paint people into corners as either liberal or conservitive. You can share views from both parties or multiple parties. Its not black and white.
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you've got to be kidding. If you honestly think Bono is a "conservative" like Bob Barr or any of those weirdos, in any way shape or form, ever was, or ever will be, then a lot of us would like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
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you've got to be kidding. If you honestly think Bono is a "conservative" like Bob Barr or any of those weirdos, in any way shape or form, ever was, or ever will be, then a lot of us would like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
Of course not Live, he is BROAD-MINDED tho-

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Bono is a "conservative"
I don't think they were saying that as much as they were saying that people's political views do not always line up in one ideological "liberal" or "conservative" lump. I have been called a "liberal" before, and I have been referred to as "a little to the right of Atilla the Hun" as well.

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Bama is on the money here.

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you've got to be kidding. If you honestly think Bono is a "conservative" like Bob Barr or any of those weirdos, in any way shape or form, ever was, or ever will be, then a lot of us would like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
*wishes somebody would post that picture of Bono and President Bush together just for U2live's enjoyment*

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you've got to be kidding. If you honestly think Bono is a "conservative" like Bob Barr or any of those weirdos, in any way shape or form, ever was, or ever will be, then a lot of us would like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
Wait a minute...so what you're saying is that in order for someone to like somebody else, they have to be of the same political affiliation and mindset? That has to be the dumbest and most narrow-minded post in this thread. No one said or suggested anything even remotely close to "Bono is a conservative."

Like others have said, it is perfectly acceptable and normal to like someone even if you disagree on a lot of political issues. Friends aren't necessarily the ones that agree with everything you do and say, but the ones who can disagree strongly with some of your beliefs, but still like you anyway. I would hope you don't choose your friends mainly by their political beliefs.

Bono is a pretty liberal-minded, yes. But some things (oh, god, I'm using DB9's word... ) transcend politics. Obviously it did in Jesse Helms case, as Helms is now a strong supporter of the cause Bono has worked so hard to promote.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bono respects and likes Jesse Helms after meeting with him in person. I doubt he's going to be having him over as a dinner guest all that often, but if you think simply because Bono is a liberal he must harbor an automatic dislike for anyone conservative, then I'd like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
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