I accuse....

Gem · 02-16-2002, 10:26 AM

I accuse the responsibles of this forum of censorship.
I accuse the responsibles of this forum of anti-liberty of speech by closing several threads, without giving any reason.

Internet as not beomce national-net yet.

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Le peuple uni, jamais ne sera vaincu
The people united, will never be defeated
El pueblo unido, nunca se derrote

Angela Harlem · 02-16-2002, 10:37 AM

This has been argued over heaps in the past, and I think the mods have come to the conclusion that any thread will stay unless it reaches the point where it is nothing but a shit fight, or its achieving nothing and going round in circles. Also if a thread tends to swerve way off topic and loses its purpose of debate, its prolly best they get closed.
There's a difference between debating and fighting you'd have to agree.

Gem · 02-16-2002, 10:41 AM

I completely agree with you, but I was refering to MissZooropa's topic, about the United States listing terrorists all over the world. To me, there was some little pretentious bashing, but nothing important to the point of shutting the topic down without giving any reason at all. Liberty of speech ? Yes... but for some people I guess.

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Le peuple uni, jamais ne sera vaincu
The people united, will never be defeated
El pueblo unido, nunca se derrote

melon · 02-16-2002, 10:44 AM

I've been around this forum enough to know that this thread will be closed.

Melon

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FizzingWhizzbees · 02-16-2002, 10:46 AM

Yeah, I was wondering why that topic was closed too. I'm not criticising the mods decision, I just wondered why. Thanks.

And I'd posted something about immigration/refugees/asylum seekers - would it be okay if I started another post about that? I think it might be an interesting issue to have a discussion on but I don't want to start another thread if that was one of the reasons for the previous one being closed. Thanks in advance if someone answers.

Angela Harlem · 02-16-2002, 10:50 AM

Gem I agree with you on that bit. I had actually spent quite a bit of time replying to that only to find it had been closed in the time it took me to type it.

And Whizz, I think it would be great if you started an asylum seeker thread. Ive wanted to do one for a few weeks now, but kinda wasnt sure. If you start one, Id love to discuss it with you. Im about to hit the hay, but come tomorrow when Im fresh as a daisy, Id love to read what everyone else thinks about it.

Diamond The U2 Patriot · 02-16-2002, 10:57 AM

Some folks have suggested that I escaped from an asylum.

hoo
hah

db9

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Klodomir · 02-16-2002, 10:59 AM

Maybe we could have a talk about this over at Don't Expect, Suggest? It's got to be annoying for the mods to have this discussed all over the place, so maybe we could air all the pros, cons and opinions over there, once and for all? Maybe we could agree on some guidelines that we can all live with, including the moddies?

Gem · 02-16-2002, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diamond The U2 Patriot:
Some folks have suggested that I escaped from an asylum.

hoo
hah

db9

You did not ? Heemmmm...

Maybe we could ask the mods wich subject we can talk about and the ones who are forbiden.

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Le peuple uni, jamais ne sera vaincu
The people united, will never be defeated
El pueblo unido, nunca se derrote

joyfulgirl · 02-16-2002, 11:30 AM

I wasn't done with that thread either. I shouldn't be surprised, but I am always astounded the way threads get closed around here. What's the point of even having a debate section if debates aren't really allowed unless they're sweet and pretty? Debates get heated, everyone gets pissed off, then they get over it. We don't need threads closed just because things get heated. We're not in high school.

Lemonite · 02-16-2002, 12:51 PM

I's surprised to check in this morning.. and see it was closed as well.. WHO? closed it?.. I think that's at least worthy of knowing.. because as we all know, the Moderators aren't this unified group.. that acts as one at all times..
Just wondering..

L.Unplugged

**Sicy** · 02-16-2002, 01:19 PM

T'wasnt me.

I personally get tired of everyone in this forum bitching when threads get closed, so I dont even bother anymore.

**Sicy** · 02-16-2002, 04:23 PM

Why did you edit your post Lemonite?

Salome · 02-16-2002, 04:47 PM

mmm,
I didn't close it either

but since mods suck in general anyway you are allowed to blame me

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Shake it, shake it, shake it

Achtung_Bebe · 02-16-2002, 07:33 PM

wasn't me, I've been too busy to bother.

Let's all blame Salome

Achtung_Bebe · 02-16-2002, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Klodomir:
Maybe we could have a talk about this over at Don't Expect, Suggest? It's got to be annoying for the mods to have this discussed all over the place, so maybe we could air all the pros, cons and opinions over there, once and for all? Maybe we could agree on some guidelines that we can all live with, including the moddies?

**KhanadaRhodes** · 02-16-2002, 08:43 PM

jen rawks

Elvis · 02-17-2002, 12:10 AM

The topic was exhausted and the thread became nothing more than personal attacks. This was NOT censorship. I believe you know damn well the policy on opening new threads based on closed ones. This is a warning.

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http://plot180.net/taol/

Lemonite · 02-17-2002, 02:06 AM

Go Irish!

Ooop.. I meant to change another of mine... Ah let's see if I can remember what I had here... Oh Yes.. Moderators.. yours is a thankless job, and we're all guilty of bitching and moaning, but I think people are puzzled about the closing of the last one.. It didn't seem much different than many other threads out there.. Maybe it was just the inclusion of the word 'ludacris'..

Hahaha.. Living here in a hip hop american society.. I've forgotten the true spellings of such words..

L.Unplugged
~Word of Mouf

[This message has been edited by Lemonite (edited 02-16-2002).]

V Nura · 02-17-2002, 02:35 AM

personally...I thought that thread would have been closed sooner.

02-16-2002, 10:26 AM	#1
Gem Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Montr�al Posts: 9 Local Time: 02:23 AM	I accuse.... I accuse the responsibles of this forum of censorship. I accuse the responsibles of this forum of anti-liberty of speech by closing several threads, without giving any reason. Internet as not beomce national-net yet. ------------------ Le peuple uni, jamais ne sera vaincu The people united, will never be defeated El pueblo unido, nunca se derrote __________________

02-16-2002, 10:37 AM	#2
Angela Harlem Jesus Online Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: a glass castle Posts: 30,163 Local Time: 01:23 PM	This has been argued over heaps in the past, and I think the mods have come to the conclusion that any thread will stay unless it reaches the point where it is nothing but a shit fight, or its achieving nothing and going round in circles. Also if a thread tends to swerve way off topic and loses its purpose of debate, its prolly best they get closed. There's a difference between debating and fighting you'd have to agree. __________________

02-17-2002, 02:35 AM	#20
V Nura Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 1,760 Local Time: 03:23 AM	personally...I thought that thread would have been closed sooner. __________________

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02-16-2002, 10:41 AM	#3
Gem Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Montr�al Posts: 9 Local Time: 02:23 AM	I completely agree with you, but I was refering to MissZooropa's topic, about the United States listing terrorists all over the world. To me, there was some little pretentious bashing, but nothing important to the point of shutting the topic down without giving any reason at all. Liberty of speech ? Yes... but for some people I guess. ------------------ Le peuple uni, jamais ne sera vaincu The people united, will never be defeated El pueblo unido, nunca se derrote

02-16-2002, 10:44 AM	#4
melon ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ásgarðr Posts: 11,789 Local Time: 10:23 PM	I've been around this forum enough to know that this thread will be closed. Melon ------------------ "He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

02-16-2002, 10:46 AM	#5
FizzingWhizzbees ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the choirgirl hotel Posts: 12,614 Local Time: 02:23 AM	Yeah, I was wondering why that topic was closed too. I'm not criticising the mods decision, I just wondered why. Thanks. And I'd posted something about immigration/refugees/asylum seekers - would it be okay if I started another post about that? I think it might be an interesting issue to have a discussion on but I don't want to start another thread if that was one of the reasons for the previous one being closed. Thanks in advance if someone answers.

02-16-2002, 10:50 AM	#6
Angela Harlem Jesus Online Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: a glass castle Posts: 30,163 Local Time: 01:23 PM	Gem I agree with you on that bit. I had actually spent quite a bit of time replying to that only to find it had been closed in the time it took me to type it. And Whizz, I think it would be great if you started an asylum seeker thread. Ive wanted to do one for a few weeks now, but kinda wasnt sure. If you start one, Id love to discuss it with you. Im about to hit the hay, but come tomorrow when Im fresh as a daisy, Id love to read what everyone else thinks about it.

02-16-2002, 10:57 AM	#7
Diamond The U2 Patriot Refugee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Posts: 1,385 Local Time: 02:23 AM	Some folks have suggested that I escaped from an asylum. hoo hah db9 ------------------ "...The big guy is made of STEEL." - Bono as we stood together on stage at Boston #4, June 9th, 2001. --- -curious? click links for Bono/Dimon- Bos.4 Story Pics.. http://www.arizonaautoweb.com/bono/ http://members.aol.com/diamondbruno9/

02-16-2002, 10:59 AM	#8
Klodomir Refugee Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,198 Local Time: 03:23 AM	Maybe we could have a talk about this over at Don't Expect, Suggest? It's got to be annoying for the mods to have this discussed all over the place, so maybe we could air all the pros, cons and opinions over there, once and for all? Maybe we could agree on some guidelines that we can all live with, including the moddies?

02-16-2002, 11:30 AM	#10
joyfulgirl Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 16,687 Local Time: 08:23 PM	I wasn't done with that thread either. I shouldn't be surprised, but I am always astounded the way threads get closed around here. What's the point of even having a debate section if debates aren't really allowed unless they're sweet and pretty? Debates get heated, everyone gets pissed off, then they get over it. We don't need threads closed just because things get heated. We're not in high school.

02-16-2002, 12:51 PM	#11
Lemonite I'm a chauvinist leprechaun Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Notre Dame, IN, 46556 Posts: 1,072 Local Time: 02:23 AM	I's surprised to check in this morning.. and see it was closed as well.. WHO? closed it?.. I think that's at least worthy of knowing.. because as we all know, the Moderators aren't this unified group.. that acts as one at all times.. Just wondering.. L.Unplugged

02-16-2002, 01:19 PM	#12
Sicy Sizzlin' Sicilian Forum Administrator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 71,100 Local Time: 07:23 PM	T'wasnt me. I personally get tired of everyone in this forum bitching when threads get closed, so I dont even bother anymore.

02-16-2002, 04:23 PM	#13
Sicy Sizzlin' Sicilian Forum Administrator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 71,100 Local Time: 07:23 PM	Why did you edit your post Lemonite?

02-16-2002, 04:47 PM	#14
Salome you are what you is Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Netherlands Posts: 22,070 Local Time: 04:23 AM	mmm, I didn't close it either but since mods suck in general anyway you are allowed to blame me ------------------ Salome Shake it, shake it, shake it

02-16-2002, 07:33 PM	#15
Achtung_Bebe New Yorker Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Beneath the noise, below the din Posts: 2,859 Local Time: 08:23 PM	wasn't me, I've been too busy to bother. Let's all blame Salome

02-16-2002, 08:43 PM	#17
KhanadaRhodes Paper Gods Forum Administrator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: a vampire in the limousine Posts: 60,695 Local Time: 09:23 PM	jen rawks

02-17-2002, 12:10 AM	#18
Elvis Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: May 2000 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 4,007 Local Time: 06:23 PM	The topic was exhausted and the thread became nothing more than personal attacks. This was NOT censorship. I believe you know damn well the policy on opening new threads based on closed ones. This is a warning. ------------------ -Elvis http://plot180.net/taol/

02-17-2002, 02:06 AM	#19
Lemonite I'm a chauvinist leprechaun Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Notre Dame, IN, 46556 Posts: 1,072 Local Time: 02:23 AM	Go Irish! Ooop.. I meant to change another of mine... Ah let's see if I can remember what I had here... Oh Yes.. Moderators.. yours is a thankless job, and we're all guilty of bitching and moaning, but I think people are puzzled about the closing of the last one.. It didn't seem much different than many other threads out there.. Maybe it was just the inclusion of the word 'ludacris'.. Hahaha.. Living here in a hip hop american society.. I've forgotten the true spellings of such words.. L.Unplugged ~Word of Mouf [This message has been edited by Lemonite (edited 02-16-2002).]