Hunting?

80sU2isBest · 10-30-2001, 09:26 AM

Hey what are some of you folks' opinion on hunting? You all know that I'm all for gun rights. However, I believe that hunting as a sport is wrong. If someone can get their meat at the store, I think purposely killing an animal is wrong. I realize that are many instances, especially in other countries, in which not hunting means the family will starve. And that's necessary. But as far as people hunting who don't have to? Nope, don't agree with it.

Johnny Swallow · 10-30-2001, 09:28 AM

"You can't grill it, until you kill it."
-The Nuge

Se7en · 10-30-2001, 09:31 AM

Can you buy deer meat in a grocery store?

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80sU2isBest · 10-30-2001, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by Se7en:
Can you buy deer meat in a grocery store?

Nope, you sure can't, but I don't understand why not. Does it have something to do with the meat not being able to be preserved as long?

DrTeeth · 10-30-2001, 09:38 AM

I've seen moose meat in a grocery store in Finland.

I think hunting as a sport is cruel and unnecessary.

melon · 10-30-2001, 09:46 AM

It really depends on where you live regarding deer meat and other unconventional meat products. If you can get a hold of a good meat store, you might find these, but that usually means you are in a good hunting area, which usually means it's more north (even further north than where I live even).

As for hunting, I think well-regulated season hunting is great, even though I will readily admit that I could never do it. In fact, I think it's more humane and ethical to kill for your own meat, rather than rely on store meat, which is often the result of corporate animal cruelty, along with genetic and hormonal alterations. In other words, the hunted animals have died a far more humane death than, for instance, they were part of a farm. Besides, deer, for instance, are incredibly overpopulated, so season hunting of deer does nothing to decimate their population.

And who would think that we'd be on these particular sides regarding hunting? You'd think it would be the exact opposite.

Melon

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tiny dancer · 10-30-2001, 10:31 AM

Where I live deer hunting here is a way of life. We are really overpopulated with deer. You would not believe the dead deer along the roadways that have been hit by vehicles. A friend of mine has hit a deer 3 different times, doing a lot of damage to her car. I don't believe in hunting and don't eat deer meat. At one time coyotes were brought in to help kill the deer, but it was not very successful.

Johnny Swallow · 10-30-2001, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by melon:
I think it's more humane and ethical to kill for your own meat, rather than rely on store meat, which is often the result of corporate animal cruelty, along with genetic and hormonal alterations. In other words, the hunted animals have died a far more humane death than, for instance, they were part of a farm.

Absolutely. Hunters know exactly how the animal went from the wild to the table, something you can never know when buying meat from a store.

80sU2isBest · 10-30-2001, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by tiny dancer:
A friend of mine has hit a deer 3 different times, doing a lot of damage to her car.

How did that deer survive being hit 3 times?

Not George Lucas · 10-30-2001, 11:17 AM

It only survived after the first two hits.

I'm all for hunting as long as it's used for food. I don't think people should be required to get their meat at grocery stores. Some people have problems with that. Hunting purely for sport, though, is wrong. This is one reason I don't like Ted Nugent. He likes to kill indescriminately (yes, even endangered species).

Johnny Swallow · 10-30-2001, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Not George Lucas:
This is one reason I don't like Ted Nugent. He likes to kill indescriminately (yes, even endangered species).

Such as?

Miss MacPhisto · 10-30-2001, 11:29 AM

God i love these new smilies!

Well first of all, it is not absolutely vital for most people to eat meat. Do your own health a favor and avoid eating parts of corpses,wild and domestic.
Ted Nugent is an ass. Note how ugly he is. See what happens when you eat possum fritters all day?
That said, if you absolutely must eat meat, you can stick with the conventional kinds. No need for deer meat. Although i do agree that generally speaking, the deer suffer far less by being shot then the domestic stock do when they are slaughtered.Deer dont know until the last seconds whats in store for them, and provided the hunter is a good shot, it is a hell of a lot less painful than slaughter. But its still cruel.
Anyone who hunts for sport is an asshole, a fool, a loser, and a murderer. Its sick. You wanna kill something? Then join the military or a police force and go out and hunt and kill the evil that inhabit the earth. But most hunters never would, because they are COWARDS and too chicken(no pun intended) to ever hunt something that can shoot back.

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Johnny Swallow · 10-30-2001, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Miss MacPhisto:
Well first of all, it is not absolutely vital for most people to eat meat. Do your own health a favor and avoid eating parts of corpses,wild and domestic.

Not everyone is content to be waif-like and unathletic, the human body is a machine and needs fuel. To quote the great Chris Rock "If you live in a part of the world where you're rich enough to eat a steak, bite the **** out of it."

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Anyone who hunts for sport is an asshole, a fool, a loser, and a murderer. Its sick. ...But most hunters never would, because they are COWARDS and too chicken(no pun intended) to ever hunt something that can shoot back.

An ignorant generalization about a large group of people you know little about. Chalk one up for you.

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Not George Lucas · 10-30-2001, 11:35 AM

Johnny Swallow:
Such as tigers, elephants, rhinos, and such. He was boasting on a call-in radio show about it.

As for eating deer, I see no problem with it. Deer meat tends to be very lean.

Miss MacPhisto · 10-30-2001, 11:36 AM

Oh, i almost forgot: My Maryland friend told me once about how a couple of friends of hers were driving through the woods(probably in West Virginia...) and they hit a deer. They got out of their car and went over to the deer, but then suddenly a couple came running out of their house carrying butcher knives and bags. They grabbed the deer and began carving it! The friends asked them what they were doing and they said something like "Oh, we've got another one in the freezer. " Oh...my...God...

You see folks, some stereotypes can come TRUE!

*Scrrreeeeeeech!!!BAM!*
"Kids...dinners ready!!!!!!!"

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Look...look what you've done to me...You've made me poor and infamous, and I thank you...

My name is MISS MACPHISTO...I'm tired and i want to go HOME...

"Well you tell...Bonovista,that i said hello and that my codename is Belleview" - Bono before opening night of Anaheim Elevation concert

Miss MacPhisto · 10-30-2001, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by Johnny Swallow:
An ignorant generalization about a large group of people you know little about.

Ignorant? I've been studying this issue since I was a toddler. YOU havent. Youre the uneducated one here.

Johnny Swallow · 10-30-2001, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by Miss MacPhisto:
You see folks, some stereotypes can come TRUE!
*Scrrreeeeeeech!!!BAM!*
"Kids...dinners ready!!!!!!!"

The point being what? That those dumb country people are not as enlightened as you? Please. They ate meat off a deer that was dead, just as they would have if they had shot the deer. It still would have been dead and they still would have eaten it.

Johnny Swallow · 10-30-2001, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by Miss MacPhisto:
Ignorant? I've been studying this issue since I was a toddler. YOU havent. Youre the uneducated one here.

If so, you should know more about the culture and mentality of why people hunt. It's not about killing. You might say you've been studying it for years, but you understand little about the culture.

U2Bama · 10-30-2001, 11:49 AM

MissMacPh:

Didn't you support the shark attacks down on the Gulf Coast this past summer?

Johnny Swallow · 10-30-2001, 11:54 AM

Well I mean come on, that little punk was asking for it swiming down in the shark's natural habitat. Showed him.

10-30-2001, 09:26 AM	#1
80sU2isBest Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 4,970 Local Time: 09:07 PM	Hunting? Hey what are some of you folks' opinion on hunting? You all know that I'm all for gun rights. However, I believe that hunting as a sport is wrong. If someone can get their meat at the store, I think purposely killing an animal is wrong. I realize that are many instances, especially in other countries, in which not hunting means the family will starve. And that's necessary. But as far as people hunting who don't have to? Nope, don't agree with it. __________________

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Johnny Swallow Bad Daddy Johnny Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 1,925 Local Time: 09:07 PM	"You can't grill it, until you kill it." -The Nuge __________________

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Johnny Swallow Bad Daddy Johnny Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 1,925 Local Time: 09:07 PM	Well I mean come on, that little punk was asking for it swiming down in the shark's natural habitat. Showed him. __________________

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10-30-2001, 09:31 AM	#3
Se7en Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: all around in the dark - everywhere Posts: 3,531 Local Time: 09:07 PM	Can you buy deer meat in a grocery store? ------------------ The numeral 7

10-30-2001, 09:38 AM	#5
DrTeeth Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Q continuum Posts: 4,770 Local Time: 03:07 AM	I've seen moose meat in a grocery store in Finland. I think hunting as a sport is cruel and unnecessary.

10-30-2001, 09:46 AM	#6
melon ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ásgarðr Posts: 11,789 Local Time: 10:07 PM	It really depends on where you live regarding deer meat and other unconventional meat products. If you can get a hold of a good meat store, you might find these, but that usually means you are in a good hunting area, which usually means it's more north (even further north than where I live even). As for hunting, I think well-regulated season hunting is great, even though I will readily admit that I could never do it. In fact, I think it's more humane and ethical to kill for your own meat, rather than rely on store meat, which is often the result of corporate animal cruelty, along with genetic and hormonal alterations. In other words, the hunted animals have died a far more humane death than, for instance, they were part of a farm. Besides, deer, for instance, are incredibly overpopulated, so season hunting of deer does nothing to decimate their population. And who would think that we'd be on these particular sides regarding hunting? You'd think it would be the exact opposite. Melon ------------------ "He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

10-30-2001, 10:31 AM	#7
tiny dancer Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: small town Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 96,451 Local Time: 02:07 AM	Where I live deer hunting here is a way of life. We are really overpopulated with deer. You would not believe the dead deer along the roadways that have been hit by vehicles. A friend of mine has hit a deer 3 different times, doing a lot of damage to her car. I don't believe in hunting and don't eat deer meat. At one time coyotes were brought in to help kill the deer, but it was not very successful.

10-30-2001, 11:17 AM	#10
Not George Lucas Acrobat Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Bend, IN USA Posts: 399 Local Time: 02:07 AM	It only survived after the first two hits. I'm all for hunting as long as it's used for food. I don't think people should be required to get their meat at grocery stores. Some people have problems with that. Hunting purely for sport, though, is wrong. This is one reason I don't like Ted Nugent. He likes to kill indescriminately (yes, even endangered species).

10-30-2001, 11:29 AM	#12
Miss MacPhisto Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Planet Pleba Posts: 1,957 Local Time: 06:07 PM	God i love these new smilies! Well first of all, it is not absolutely vital for most people to eat meat. Do your own health a favor and avoid eating parts of corpses,wild and domestic. Ted Nugent is an ass. Note how ugly he is. See what happens when you eat possum fritters all day? That said, if you absolutely must eat meat, you can stick with the conventional kinds. No need for deer meat. Although i do agree that generally speaking, the deer suffer far less by being shot then the domestic stock do when they are slaughtered.Deer dont know until the last seconds whats in store for them, and provided the hunter is a good shot, it is a hell of a lot less painful than slaughter. But its still cruel. Anyone who hunts for sport is an asshole, a fool, a loser, and a murderer. Its sick. You wanna kill something? Then join the military or a police force and go out and hunt and kill the evil that inhabit the earth. But most hunters never would, because they are COWARDS and too chicken(no pun intended) to ever hunt something that can shoot back. ------------------ Look...look what you've done to me...You've made me poor and infamous, and I thank you... My name is MISS MACPHISTO...I'm tired and i want to go HOME... "Well you tell...Bonovista,that i said hello and that my codename is Belleview" - Bono before opening night of Anaheim Elevation concert

10-30-2001, 11:35 AM	#14
Not George Lucas Acrobat Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Bend, IN USA Posts: 399 Local Time: 02:07 AM	Johnny Swallow: Such as tigers, elephants, rhinos, and such. He was boasting on a call-in radio show about it. As for eating deer, I see no problem with it. Deer meat tends to be very lean.

10-30-2001, 11:36 AM	#15
Miss MacPhisto Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Planet Pleba Posts: 1,957 Local Time: 06:07 PM	Oh, i almost forgot: My Maryland friend told me once about how a couple of friends of hers were driving through the woods(probably in West Virginia...) and they hit a deer. They got out of their car and went over to the deer, but then suddenly a couple came running out of their house carrying butcher knives and bags. They grabbed the deer and began carving it! The friends asked them what they were doing and they said something like "Oh, we've got another one in the freezer. " Oh...my...God... You see folks, some stereotypes can come TRUE! Scrrreeeeeeech!!!BAM! "Kids...dinners ready!!!!!!!" ------------------ Look...look what you've done to me...You've made me poor and infamous, and I thank you... My name is MISS MACPHISTO...I'm tired and i want to go HOME... "Well you tell...Bonovista,that i said hello and that my codename is Belleview" - Bono before opening night of Anaheim Elevation concert

10-30-2001, 11:49 AM	#19
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 09:07 PM	MissMacPh: Didn't you support the shark attacks down on the Gulf Coast this past summer?