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Old 10-30-2001, 01:18 PM   #21
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Was wondering when youd show up, Bama...Now i must wait for Rougey...
As a matter of fact, it was mentioned by a DR on the radio that the one guy(the uncle, i think) had been hunting/fishing in those waters, and had dropped some chum over the side in the hopes of catching something. Dont know if the DR had his info straight but that does sound like a very likely possibility.
Too bad the guilty ones are never the ones that get hurt.
As for hunters, anyone who goes around shooting at something that cant shoot back...is a coward. That is the very definiton of a coward.
In some parts of the world, the native people believe that, if you kill a tiger, in your next life you will return as a man eater.
Guess Dead Ted can look forward to starring in a remake of a Disney classic in his next life...

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Well first of all, it is not absolutely vital for most people to eat meat. Do your own health a favor and avoid eating parts of corpses,wild and domestic.
Sorry. Your argument falls apart right here. While most nutrients gained from animal products can be also found in plants, there is one essential nutrient found exclusively in animals: vitamin B12. This vitamin is highly essential for nerve function, amongst other things.

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Ted Nugent is an ass. Note how ugly he is. See what happens when you eat possum fritters all day?
The last two superficial sentences aside, he is an ass. However, he is not representative of all meateaters. It would be like representing all vegetarians with rabid, uptight, feminist butch lesbians (apologies to potential lesbians reading this).

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That said, if you absolutely must eat meat, you can stick with the conventional kinds. No need for deer meat. Although i do agree that generally speaking, the deer suffer far less by being shot then the domestic stock do when they are slaughtered.Deer dont know until the last seconds whats in store for them, and provided the hunter is a good shot, it is a hell of a lot less painful than slaughter. But its still cruel.
And who defines "conventional"? Deer may look cute and cuddly, but they are an overpopulated nuisance in much of the country, and it's not like it's free range to kill deer all year long. There is a specific legislated season for deer hunting, along with further restrictions.

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Anyone who hunts for sport is an asshole, a fool, a loser, and a murderer. Its sick. You wanna kill something? Then join the military or a police force and go out and hunt and kill the evil that inhabit the earth. But most hunters never would, because they are COWARDS and too chicken(no pun intended) to ever hunt something that can shoot back.
Well, I really don't know what you're defining as "sport," but that's an incredibly stereotypical generalization of hunters. The few I do know legally hunt and deep freeze the meat for human consumption. If you think that all hunters are Ted Nugent-like militia men, get that out of your head, because it's not representative again.

I must say that I'm mostly disappointed with the contents of this post, but, hey, you are surely entitled to your opinion, and I'm not gonna hold it against you.

And, man, who would have thought I'd be fighting on this side of the argument?

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As for B-12...Then how do vegans survive? As i stated in a post about animal rights, it is currently impossible to eat an entirely cruelty free diet. There are ingredients hidden in foods and other products that most people aree not even aware of come from animals. But it certainly is possible to get all the B-12 you need without resulting to buying a slab of flesh from a grocery store.
As for overpopulation of deer, nature would have done just fine most of the time if jackasses hadnt gone and tipped the balance in the deers favor by killing so many predators. In areas where natural predators are not available or arent doing the job well enough, sterilization can be done, as can relocating.
Hinters kill for the fun of it. Nothing more needs to be said. Anyone who kills innocents for fun is a coward. They ALL kill for fun or they wouldnt be out there. It isnt vital in this country to kill for food. Some claim they just love nature. So do I. And i shoot animals too. With a camera...
Oh, and about predators not always keeping the deer population in check...Well then why do hunters and government assholes always blame the predators for depleting sheep, deer, and other often hunted animals' populations????? Hmmm...I smell a rat...A big, fat, rich one...

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Miss MacPhisto, your comments could have been offensive but are mostly just silly.
You claim to have studied hunting and meat eating since you were a toddler but then you equate the average hunter with that buffoon Ted Nugent which is absurd. (You must have been quite the child prodigy as a two year old by the way. Lot's of late night studying at the library on the feasability of a vegan diet and the psychological mindset of the American hunter.)
For you information I actually have studied hunting since I was a toddler because I grew up in rural Maine where hunting is a way of life. It's a place where many poor families supplement their diets over the winter with deer, grouse, pheasant, duck, rabbit and moose shot in the fall. It's a place where understatement is a way of life and folks like Ted Nugent are looked upon with disdain or at least amusement.
When you dismiss hunters as fools, murderers and cowards you are dismissing millions upon millions of people all over the world. Perhaps more important to you, you are dismissing generation upon generation of your own ancestors. RECENT ancestors I might add.
I've always felt a genial sort of contempt for folks who think eating cow or chicken parts purchased from a store is all right but actually killing the animal is offensive. That is hyprocrisy of the tallest order. They seem to think that it's okay to consume meat so long as you remain willfully ignorant of where it came from and how it got to your table. How is this admirable?
It's yet another example of some American's absurd willingness to wallow in ignorance. I'm convinced that there must be millions of young American children who have no idea where hamburger or chicken wings come from. If you want to see something truly cruel and disturbing visit a slaughterhouse someday.

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p.s.- Are you aware that in Maine many deer killed on the highway are given to the poor for food? Does that make Mainers hicks or more honest than you?
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Uh....hello...CAN YOU READ?! You obviously didnt read my previous replies. I dont eat store bought meat.
And I learned about hunting when i was a very small child, yes. And i abhorred it from the beginning, That is what i meant. I formed my first animal rights group when i was 7.
And, as a matter of fact, McDonalds often shows pretty pictures of happy smiling hamburgers growing like plants in pretty fields, on stalks of grass and what not. Good God.
Oh...and another point i'd like to make. I have lived in poverty much of my life. Most recently i went 8 days(not consecutively) without food(in June) due to lack of money.
I DID NOT RESORT TO KILLING,NOR DID I RESORT TO EATING MEAT. For that matter, i also did not try stealing, begging,drug dealing,prostitution, or any other illegal money making venture. Nor did i ask anyone for help. It was my problem ,and i endured it. If people are too dumb or too blind to see what i was going through, or too cruel to care, then tough luck.

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As for my ancestors, i forgive them and many people of a certain era who believed hunting was a decent thing to do with your time. They didnt know any better, though something in their minds should have clicked, just as they shouldve known better than to treat women, minorities and others the way they did. Plus, long ago, many people did have to hunt and wear furs to survive. They had an excuse. Americans today do not. And no, none of my recent ancestors hunted, or at least not on a regular basis. But times are different now, and most people cannot claim ignorance.
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Oh,and Melon...I may be "Rabid and Uptight..." But I am NOT a butch lesbian!!!
And feminist? Ehhhh......not really...

"When God created man...She was only kidding."

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Old 10-30-2001, 04:22 PM   #28
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It really depends on where you live regarding deer meat and other unconventional meat products. If you can get a hold of a good meat store, you might find these, but that usually means you are in a good hunting area, which usually means it's more north (even further north than where I live even).
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Melon, I have read a lot of your posts over the last couple of months and I can now honestly say: you seem to know everything! i'm not kidding, from the economy to the availability of exotic meats. it's incredible.

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I've always felt a genial sort of contempt for folks who think eating cow or chicken parts purchased from a store is all right but actually killing the animal is offensive. That is hyprocrisy of the tallest order. They seem to think that it's okay to consume meat so long as you remain willfully ignorant of where it came from and how it got to your table.
If you hold a genial contempt for us, you're nor looking at it in the way some of us are. What I'm saying is this: Yes, I'll eat meat. I'm not opposed to people who eat meat. But there are already industries that provide us with meat. If someone has no access to that meat, then hunting may be a necessity, and that's fine. What I don't understand is how people can enjoy killing an animal and doing it as a sport. Like I said previously, if it's a necessity, fine, no problem. But why do some people see it as a sport? Makes no sense to me...



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Since I live in an area where the beginning of hunting season is as important as christmas, I think I can give a good insight into this since most people against hunting don't really know much about it at all.

First off in my community, hunting season is actually a must to maintain the population of the animals here. Last year, after we had one of the largest and best hunting seasons ever, 150 deer still had to be shot because of the over population of the species. That is showing how a forested area like mine does have problems with animals since they basically do two things, 1.) breed and 2.) eat. When an animal is over populated it becomes an environmental risk to the area and causes more things like car accidents (deer running out in the road unexpectedly) and destroy more of the land (animals eating food which is basically the land's resources).

Also hunting season in our area has been a controlled one. There aren't stories of people killing other people or going on rampages. Hunting season around here basically comes accident free. Now it is obvious most people against hunting are people in european countries, countries that look at guns a lot differently than the usa. But hey, one of the rights people have here is to own a gun to hunt with or defend their family with and even though you disagree with you should still respect our decision. Even if you take the guns away from a society, that isn't going to make all the bad people not bad people. To solve the problem associated with guns you have to start somewhere else, the divorce rate in america being one.

I personally don't hunt myself but i see the right people have to hunt and understand its necessity in some areas.

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rougerum,
Thanks for your insight, as someone who lives in an area most affected by deer over-pouplation. I suppose I can understand it in that sense. But I still don't understand people who want to hunt as a sport (and I'm a big gun rights' advocate).
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You forgive your ancestors? I guess it is no longer PC to be a caveman.

Humans are part of the food chain, we are part of this planet, we didn't invade the natural world.

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Good Lord, Bama! The photos depict hamburgers as being human like! Does this mean MacDonalds patrons are cannibals?! Scary! I never even knew...
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Melon, I have read a lot of your posts over the last couple of months and I can now honestly say: you seem to know everything! i'm not kidding, from the economy to the availability of exotic meats. it's incredible.
As much as I quite often bitch about Michigan on this forum, it is, quite honestly, a mesh of everything that America is within a surprisingly small amount of space. It's modern (Detroit), yet it is rustic (Upper Peninsula). It goes into a deep freeze in winter and burns you in the summer. I grew up in Southeast Michigan, where there is a sizeable amount of Southerners actually--but is still predominantly Catholic in nature. We have both a great infrastructure, while also being great examples of government neglect. Heck, even my house is a mesh of everything. Lake Erie nearby, a city one can see on the horizon, an interstate within view, railroads surrounding you, but, yet, still rural, as I'm surrounded by farm fields.

So, honestly, if it is true that people are a product of their environment, then it's no wonder that I have a fairly diverse base of knowledge from both my educational background, but also from life experience in itself. As much as I've bitched about Michigan, I've learned quite a bit from it.

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Oh God, No! They even found me HERE! Dammit!
* Pulls cape over herself and runs*

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Guess what I had for dinner last night?

A #14 Extra Value Meal at McDOnald's! That's a DOUBLE cheeseburger, medium fries, and medium Coke. Plus, my wife didn't want all of her fries, so I ate some of hers too. The fries were just right: VERY hot and just the right amount of salt. Yummy.

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I love fishing. Early this month I spent 4 days backpacking in the High Sierras. Ate Trout for dinner. Loved the whole experience. I went with a friend who is heavy into fly fishing. I was using lures and a bubble fly setup, which is okay, but I've got to learn to fly fish (there's a lot to it!).

Point is, I can't say I'm totally against killing animals, because I do it myself.

Hunting for sport? I don't have particularly strong feelings about it either way. Do that many people really kill deer and such just for sport, and let the meat go to waste?

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You forgive your ancestors? I guess it is no longer PC to be a caveman.

Humans are part of the food chain, we are part of this planet, we didn't invade the natural world.

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