Hundreds of Middle Easterns Jailed for trying to comply

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nbcrusader said:
Any effort to enforce immigration laws are typically criticized as racist. :|
because quite some things are falsely labelled as racism that doesn't mean that there is no truth in any of the claims

BonoVoxSupastar said:
For one they called on only males who were born in these 20 or so countries.
I don't think any of us are wondering whether Canada, Germany or France were one of those countries

they were targetting people from the Middle East because they are potential terrorist
that is a racist point of view no matter which way you look at it


personally I wouldn't be surprised if at one point actions like this one will lead to more trouble
if you treat a certain group of people as criminals long enough then at one point they are going to act like criminals since they have got nothing to lose anyway
 
Let's see....

We have laws.....for a reason last I knew.
We failed miserably pre-9/11 at enforcing them.
We are enforcing them now........

I would say...this sounds good to me.

And for the people who are having difficulties with this I am sorry....You are not a citizen of this country. We have laws. While in this country you should expect them to be enforced especially since 9/11. If you fail to obey them, suffer the price.

Salome....that is not racist. Racism is the belief that a group is superior to another because of race. We do not claim this. If you want to call it prejudiced, the definition of prejudice included the lines unfounded or without cause. We have cause. Ten years of terror against our country.

Peace









Peace
 
Why some might consider it racist? Prior to Sept. 11, the biggest terrorist attack was Oklahoma City.
The U. S. Government did not round up U. S. veterans, (McViegh and Nichols were/are vets) and detain them for questioning.
 
Well, I know what you are trying to say....

But veterans most likely are citizens. Different set of rules.

As for your point, it is quite wrong....they did go after militia groups....

In April 1997 two years after the bombings as reported on the PBS Program Newshour with Jim Lehrer:

They reported that last year across 22 states 131 anti-government extremists were arrested and prosecuted in 36 cases of crime that included bank robberies, bombings, illegal possession of weapons, and fraud, such as filing illegal leanings on the property of public officials.

So please....do not pretend to say our governement did nothing after Oklahoma City.
 
diamond said:

i also stick by the idea of earlier statement re- dildos and dirty nukes in the garage of somebody's cousin.. (statement/idea)....

u
just
never
know..who might know or say something
or volunteer information to stay in the country....:angry:


OK so let me get htis straight you think it is allright if a gov'y locks people up for not having papers in order then interogate, or as you say "volunteer info", them and try to make them give info up about someone that knows a guy who knows a guy. Isnt this something that makes you think. They could lock up all Irish people and say we will send you back unless you tell us someone who is in the IRA. If you were to ever go to a middle-east country you would probably learn quickly that everyone knows someone who is into some sort of illegal activity. So should we just loc every foriegner and threaten them with deportation until they give us info!?

If they were to do this with a blanket effect, ie. Mexicans or Asains, then i could see it but this is pure racial profiling. This is about terrorism not immigrantion. Say ti for what its worth. You are targeting people of certain race. I guarentee you there are more Mexians or S.A. that are illegal then middle eastern.

Remember back a few months ago when the Canadian Gov't sent a warning to all M.E. people in Canada to be careful of going to the States? And some of you got all pissed. Well this is a perfect example!!
 
Salome said:
personally I wouldn't be surprised if at one point actions like this one will lead to more trouble
if you treat a certain group of people as criminals long enough then at one point they are going to act like criminals since they have got nothing to lose anyway
Dreadsox said:
Salome....that is not racist. Racism is the belief that a group is superior to another because of race. We do not claim this. If you want to call it prejudiced, the definition of prejudice included the lines unfounded or without cause. We have cause. Ten years of terror against our country.
ah, is it so
 
U2Bama said:
Are any of you offended by the investigation and arrest of the terrorist cell now known as "the Buffalo Six"?
No, but the Hitlist of Bush does.
 
Dreadsox said:


:der:

No disrespect but...What are you talking about?:huh:


Peace


Oops, sorry. I did not meant this as a smartass remark. It is a big story here in the Netherlands. It is about the approval of Bush that give the CIA the right to kill people, who are suposed to be terrorists, anywhere on the world . ( i saw this on the NY post website ) The Bush hitlist.
 
Rono said:



Oops, sorry. I did not meant this as a smartass remark. It is a big story here in the Netherlands. It is about the approval of Bush that give the CIA the right to kill people, who are suposed to be terrorists, anywhere on the world . ( i saw this on the NY post website ) The Bush hitlist.

Ronoman-
what would u have us do?
send the terrorists to counseling?.:sexywink::huh:

diamond
 
Dreadsox said:
And for the people who are having difficulties with this I am sorry....You are not a citizen of this country. We have laws. While in this country you should expect them to be enforced especially since 9/11. If you fail to obey them, suffer the price.

Salome....that is not racist. Racism is the belief that a group is superior to another because of race. We do not claim this. If you want to call it prejudiced, the definition of prejudice included the lines unfounded or without cause. We have cause. Ten years of terror against our country.


Dreadsox,
Do you mean to say people who aren't US citizens shouldn't be allowed to criticise the laws of the US? What would you say if you were told not to criticise Iraq, for example, because you're not an Iraqi citizen.

And in my opinion, when you treat the citizens of certain countries differently because of their nationality, that is racist. It's racist because it implies that every man of Arab origin is a possible terrorist - how offensive is that to those people? How would we like it if every American citizen or every British citizen were treated as a suspect? Wouldn't you be angry if someone implied that simply because of your nationality, you were suspected of terrorism?
 
diamond said:


Ronoman-
what would u have us do?
send the terrorists to counseling?.:sexywink::huh:

diamond

Oh my goodness...Diamond, do you really think that because someone says it's wrong to assassinate people without trial, they mean if those people have committed crimes they shouldn't be punished?

I'm against the death penalty, that doesn'ts mean I'm against criminals being punished.
 
diamond said:


Ronoman-
what would u have us do?
send the terrorists to counseling?.:sexywink::huh:

diamond

Thanks diamond,....you did not point out that i forgot to say Read you,...


Read you,...
 
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FizzingWhizzbees said:


Dreadsox,
Do you mean to say people who aren't US citizens shouldn't be allowed to criticise the laws of the US? What would you say if you were told not to criticise Iraq, for example, because you're not an Iraqi citizen.

And in my opinion, when you treat the citizens of certain countries differently because of their nationality, that is racist. It's racist because it implies that every man of Arab origin is a possible terrorist - how offensive is that to those people? How would we like it if every American citizen or every British citizen were treated as a suspect? Wouldn't you be angry if someone implied that simply because of your nationality, you were suspected of terrorism?

If I implied that you can't criticize I did not mean to. I am saying we have immigration laws, just as your country does I am sure. Are we expected to obey the laws of your country when we are there? Or are they there for show? The uproar is over the fact that we are actually enforcing our laws now. Stop whining about it and obey the laws of the land. I am all for free speech keep on criticizing, after registering properly.

That is just it it is your opinion. Based on definition.....it is not racist. I hate getting into this, but the Websters Dictionary definition does not support your opinion

I would hope that every country puts laws into place to protect their boarders. If we were consistently under attack from people from Britain then, I would say make laws against them too.

I would be willing to submit that American citizens are targets abroad because of their nationality. Wouldn't you?
 
Dreadsox said:
I would be willing to submit that American citizens are targets abroad because of their nationality. Wouldn't you?
true, and I don't see many people condoning that either
 
Salome said:
true, and I don't see many people condoning that either

So countries should not have immigration laws?
It's unrealistic to expect that people who come here obey and follow our laws?
So countries that harbor terrorists, should not be looked at more closely than others?


I am sorry, ten years of terrorism against my country is enough justification. It is not racism, it is self-preservation.


Peace to all.
 
Dreadsox said:


So countries should not have immigration laws?
I don't see how you got that from what I posted

you should enforce your laws
but when you will not enforce those laws on everybody but only on a a small, certaim group of people then those people are going to feel that they are being treated badly

and I tend to agree with them
 
Dreadsox said:


but the Websters Dictionary definition does not support your opinion

I fear that someone will eventually chime in that the Webster's dictionary was written by a bunch of racist old white men who financed the political campaigns of Strom Thurmond, Trent Lott and George W. Bush.


Dreadsox said:
I would hope that every country puts laws into place to protect their boarders.

Keep in mind that some of the people in this forum are in favor of the "no borders" concept. My conspiracy side still tells me that some of them wish that the Soviets had "won" the Cold War, so that all countries and people would be "the same" or equal or whatever. And we dumb, nasty Ameircans would finally be put in our place.

~U2Alabama
 
U2Bama said:

Keep in mind that some of the people in this forum are in favor of the "no borders" concept. My conspiracy side still tells me that some of them wish that the Soviets had "won" the Cold War, so that all countries and people would be "the same" or equal or whatever. And we dumb, nasty Ameircans would finally be put in our place.

~U2Alabama

That gotta be the single most weirdest thing i have ever seen you say!!! Where would you ever get that impression? Please point people out because i would like to see them respond!
 
I am not going to point individuals out; some of them might not even post here anymore. It could easily be deemed a "personal attack" if I did so, even though that would not be my intent. Also, some new rule has allegedly surfaced where we can't bring up information from other threads.

To put it generally, I think people who favor a Marxist economic philosophy would have preferred the Soviet form of socialism over the American-dominated form of capitalism. And there is an entirely different group of people that would prefer countries and borders did not exist (see: John Lennon's "Imagine" lyrics. I am not criticising them for that at all. The dynamic benefit of this very forum is that we can interact with people who have such diverse viewpoints. I was just trying to communicate to dreadsox some of my past observations in this forum.

Happy Non-Christmas Holidays!

~U2Alabama
 
I love it (Happy Non-Christmas Holiday).
But you broke this 'rule' of not bring up things from other fourms....

Well i just think if you are going to make accusations like that then you should elabarate on them. If you deem it not in your best intrest them dont bring them up.
 
Once again, it is not an "accusation," as I am not criticising them for it. And I intentionally phrased it in the general sense to communicate to dreadsox the diversity of philosophies of the members of this forum.

Me posting names of posters who have such views (or who I THINK have such views) and quoting their posts would be like the Red Scare of the early Cold War U.S. and I do not wish to engage in that. I do admit to posting what I posted in a facetious tone, but it was very late at night and I truly meant no harm of it.

~U2Alabama
 
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