Patti Jones
The Fly
Just wanted to know...answer...and try to know how will Afgans feeling this Ramadam...
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Patti
-Pride Girl-
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Patti
-Pride Girl-
Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
If we stopped bombing for a month the Taliban [would] be able to largely regroup/ get better prepared for when we resume.
Originally posted by Patti Jones:
Just wanted to know...answer...and try to know how will Afgans feeling this Ramadam...
Originally posted by mug222:
Yes, I'm afraid of that, too. If we stop killing civilians for a few days, the Taliban leaders might be able to crawl out of their caves and assemble a few camels onto which we can drop a 15,000 pound daisy cutter bomb. We need to create as many huge craters as possible.
Originally posted by speedracer:
Let's take turns poking holes in this statement. I'll start.
Ramadan is a month long, not a few days.
Originally posted by mug222:
Of course I know the length of Ramadan-I have studied it in numerous courses on Islam, and have spent years in Middle Eastern countries. I suggest you take a few courses on Islam, and one on sarcasm, before you try to debate, speedracer.
80's, let's not be naive here. The infrastructure of Kabul is utterly destroyed. The forces of the Taliban are is disarray. The Northern Alliance, a ragtag group themselves, has just taken Mazar-e Sharif, a crucial supply city for the Taliban. The Taliban is essentially isolated, cut off from military, food, oil and other supplies.
New terrorist attacks are likely, and right now are the main source of possible danger. Their occurence from this point, however, is completely unrelated to the Taliban.
Originally posted by speedracer:
It was a poor use of sarcasm, then; it was laid on so heavily (Ramadan being "a few days", the Taliban forces being reduced to "a few camels") that it made you appear to be a demagogue--someone who uses only rhetorical techniques, but not precision of facts or of thought, in his arguments.
But if we halted attacks for a month, isn't it entirely possible that the Taliban would recapture Mazar-e-Sharif? I'm not a military analyst, but the ones who supply CNN with reports agree with you that it is a strategically important city.
I agree that the search for the terrorists must continue: they pose the real threat to our nation at this time. However, if you or anyone else actually considers dropping bombs the size of trucks onto the heads of thousands in Kabul and elsewhere a "manhunt", I'll eat my hat.
And even if we stop attacking Afghanistan in an attempt to gain favor with the Islamic world, there's no reason we should stop the manhunt for bin Laden and al-Qaeda. If they're taking Ramadan off, I'll eat my hat.
Originally posted by Bathtime Fun Whortense:
i think the word, 'demagogue,' had damn well get retired in this forum!!!!111111 whomever uses it is a hypocrite, because then you yourself start trying to sway people using impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace by trying to dismiss your opponent as a fanatic, rather than criticizing him on the basis of facts. it seems, quite honestly, a lot of people are throwing around big words that probably are ill-used at best.
Originally posted by melon:
What is our fanatical obsession with having to label everything? Argue with mug222 and everyone else on the basis of arguments. Check in the namecalling at the door.
Last I heard, no one on this forum is really privy to "precise facts and thought," especially where "precise facts and thought" are dictated to us via the Pentagon.
Melon
Originally posted by melon:
Overall, I think that the Pentagon is reporting actual events, but is selectively holding back elements that may look unfavorable. I really doubt this war is happening as perfectly as we are being told. No wars are this perfect.
Originally posted by Bathtime Fun Whortense:
i think the word, 'demagogue,' had damn well get retired in this forum!!!!111111 whomever uses it is a hypocrite, because then you yourself start trying to sway people using impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace by trying to dismiss your opponent as a fanatic, rather than criticizing him on the basis of facts. it seems, quite honestly, a lot of people are throwing around big words that probably are ill-used at best.
Originally posted by Achtung Bubba:
Well said!
People are certainly throwing big arounds around when they clearly don't know what the words mean.
Words like "you", "never", and "apologize".
Originally posted by melon:
I need not be nice anymore.
I am doing as I am asked by Elvis, and that is avoiding you. You, apparently, seem to continue provocation. This incident is being duly noted by me, and repeated provocation will force me to report you yet again. Consider this yet another warning.
I expect this kind of trolling from newbies, not from administrators.
Melon
Originally posted by Achtung Bubba:
Shut up about it, and I will do the same.
Originally posted by Whortense:
done.