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Old 08-08-2007, 02:26 PM   #141
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Oh and the gun thing brings up another contradiction of idealogy. Most gun control supporters are also abortion proponents. But by wanting to take away the right of the average citizen to buy a gun, doesn't that make the person 'anti choice'? You oppose the person's right to gun ownership, just as an anti abortionist opposes a person's choice of an abortion. So a person who is anti abortion but anti gun control may rightfully call the pro abortion, pro gun control person 'anti choice' and themselves 'pro choice' for supporting the right of gun ownership. So we have hypocrisy here. This is why we need to cut the crap and call a spade a spade.
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if you support someone being able to get an abortion anytime they want one then you're pro abortion
Many people in favor of legalised abortion aren't for abortion on demand, i.e. "anytime you want", but for other reasons already listed here.
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Many people in favor of legalised abortion aren't for abortion on demand, i.e. "anytime you want", but for other reasons already listed here.
Duh. In my first post here I said I supported them for rape or health issues but not just because you 'change your mind' and don't want to deal with the kid anymore. So I don't consider myself pro or against or labeled in any way. Why do we have to have labels? We can't lump people like that because we're all different. The terms can even be devisive. No blankets on anybody!
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Just wanted to stress that many people are campaigning for the rights to have an abortion, but aren't that positive about abortions on demand.
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pro- abortion rights may be the best term



also, most pro- gun rights people do not have problems with some controls, restrictions and even bans on some weapons
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Duh. In my first post here I said I supported them for rape or health issues
I'm gonna ask anyway. No one ever seems to able to answer, but what the hell.

How are you going to run the system so women who've been raped can opt to abort?
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Isn't it hypocritical to be "pro-life" and yet support abortions in cases that don't threaten the mother's life? I mean, if you're pro-life, what is it about a foetus that's a product of a rape that makes it less worthy than another?
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I mean, if you're pro-life, what is it about a foetus that's a product of a rape that makes it less worthy than another?
I really think that it's a way to keep the movement more mainstream. I remember a few decades ago, if you dug deep enough into the anti-chioce movement, most of the leaders were frighteningly anti-birth control. Many of them were men who truly believed that women should not be able to have any control over their reproductive systems at all, lest a potential baby be prevented.

This is one of the reasons I fight so hard here; so many people take this crap for granted and don't realize/remember/care how much control these people really think they should have. I'm sure many of today's "pro-life" folks don't have an real clue as to how controlling the leaders of these movements want to be. They carry their placards with dead fetuses, and they pray for the dead babies, thinking that if a woman (read: their sister) is raped, she'll still be able to make a decision. They don't truly understand what they're supporting.

Look at what happened in South Dakota. Those fools elected a "pro-life" legislature and got what they thought they wanted: an anti-abortion law that outlawed it in every single case. Every single case. They shit themsleves. I had no sympathy for them.
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You shouldn't have the right to choose to have guns, there should be no guns at all in the hands of citizens. I'm not anti choice, im anti guns altogether. Guns kill other people, abortions kill nothing but a tiny blob of cells. They are miles apart and its silly trying to put them into context with each other.
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so you are anti-gun
for those that want to have guns

and pro-abortion
for those that want to have abortions
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doesn't that make the person 'anti choice'?
Why not take this ridiculous analogy a step further... Give someone the choice to own a rocket launcher, give them the choice to carry swords on their belts in public, give them the choice to make homemade anthrax in their backyard... Come on!
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I'm gonna ask anyway. No one ever seems to able to answer, but what the hell.

How are you going to run the system so women who've been raped can opt to abort?
Still waiting.
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Why not take this ridiculous analogy a step further... Give someone the choice to own a rocket launcher, give them the choice to carry swords on their belts in public, give them the choice to make homemade anthrax in their backyard... Come on!
I think a more reasonable question might be what would the "founding fathers" have outlawed?

Would they have prohibited John Handcock from having cannons and other munitions on his trading ships?

Would they have allowed citizens to carry weapons on passenger ships?


If 2nd amendment supporters want to argue "original intend" then private citizens should be able to have mounted weapons on their vehicles and even on their private property.
Such as cannons, and the like.

I can not extend this argument to anthrax or nukes.
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Still waiting.

I am pro-right to have abortions

pro-choice is for whimps
and actually aids the abortion prohibitionists


I think a rape victim should be able to have an abortion, if she wants one

of course, some women would want to carry that same fetus full term to birth
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I'm still waiting for anyone who is on the "only in rape etc" side to explain the exact plan for this.

I don't expect an answer; they never have a plan.
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many politicians and other people say

no abortions
expect for rape and incest


it does make them sound a little more reasonable

because if they or their wife / daughter / sister was hit over the head and raped by a hardened, disease infected, criminal they want the option

and if their 13 year old daughter got impregnated by a 35 year-old creepy family member, again they want the option


ok, I get your point

unless we live in a country where a rape only legally occurs when there are
three males that will testify
is it even possible to define rape?
what would be the standard?
proof? let's hope the rapist tapes it and puts it on you-tube

incest? sure, women are eager to go public with this and prove it.
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unless we live in a country where a rape only legally occurs when there are
three males that will testify
is it even possible to define rape?
what would be the standard?
proof?
That's what I'm saying.
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Old 08-10-2007, 07:51 AM   #158
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many politicians and other people say

no abortions
expect for rape and incest


it does make them sound a little more reasonable

because if they or their wife / daughter / sister was hit over the head and raped by a hardened, disease infected, criminal they want the option

and if their 13 year old daughter got impregnated by a 35 year-old creepy family member, again they want the option


ok, I get your point

unless we live in a country where a rape only legally occurs when there are
three males that will testify
is it even possible to define rape?
what would be the standard?
proof? let's hope the rapist tapes it and puts it on you-tube

incest? sure, women are eager to go public with this and prove it.
perhaps those in this camp are so callous as to even want women to prove legally that they were raped. after all, this will have to happen for such a legal exemption, right? there'll need to be documented proof from an attending doctor to attest evidence of rape. there will need to be a dna sample taken, charges laid, etc. because it's not bad enough that a woman be raped, but she gets pregnant from the rape! and then she needs to abort the pregnancy! and then go through the legal rigmarole to permit her to rid herself of the offending remnants.

why not elect a fucking jury of strangers to witness the whole fucking mess, too, just in case the woman still has a small shred of dignity left after all this. what dumbarse fuckwit suggested this originally in this thread? i can't be bothered reading back. of all the dumbarse fucking ideas...
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^that wasn't directed at you, deep, by the way. and apologies for the language... actually, no, screw that. there's plenty more if someone wants to be shortsighted enough to actually push the point martha is arguing against. but like she's stated, how the hell can you? and yet, here fym and the world once again sits - arguing over abortion.
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what dumbarse fuckwit suggested this originally
It's a popular policy with conservative politicians in my beloved country. It makes them appear less controlling if they can say that they support the gals in this situation.

And I'll be waiting for a plan forever. I've never gotten anyone here to actually answer the question.
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