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nbcrusader said:
It could be worse - he could have said something nice about Strom Thurmond.
nbcrusader said:
It could be worse - he could have said something nice about Strom Thurmond.
U2Bama said:
What is your opinon on animals used for research for medical cures? I hate to inform you of this, but animals have even perished for AIDS research.
bonosloveslave said:
Like it or not, humans are more valuable than animals....
diamond said:
ah shite
i dont stand a chance.
Hi Bias-deep said:
All that being said, the reason I posted this was not to slam him. I gave my answer in my initial post.
U2Bama said:If the election were held today, I would probably vote for him, depending on who his opponents are. I knew it would only be a matter of time before the "truth behind Bill Frist" articles begin to surface. He also broke up with a fiance prior to their wedding, so he must be a very, very bad man.
As bonosloveslave pointed out, students of veterinary medicine dissect cats, as well as dogs and other furry friends, quite often.
US3 the "google"-meister breathes a sigh of relief!bonosloveslave said:
I guess what I meant is, we all decide for ourselves (consciously or not) 'how bad is too bad'. Some think Frist shouldn't be elected if he runs for prez because of the cat situation. Others would say, well, if he murdered a person, that would be REALLY bad, then he definitely shouldn't get to be prez. Some would say the same if there was adultery in his past, where others would say who cares? What if he shoplifted as a 10 year old? At 40? At 10 years old, he would know what he was doing was wrong, but I bet alot of people would cut him some slack, vs. an incident occuring at 40 - BUT - shoplifting is shoplifting is shoplifting...........
Sorry to use these crappy examples, I don't mean to imply that Frist has done any of the above things
*WE* judge what will disqualify someone (in our eyes) from being a worthy leader of our country. In the big scheme of things, God doesn't keep a point sheet when we do something wrong - "Uhoh, white lie = 1 point - oh, there he goes again, stole an extra newspaper = 5 points..."
Dreadsox said:Quick!!!! Make her a citizen and have her run for Lott's seat in the Senate!!!!
Woman who nursed puppies has no regrets
A young Norwegian mother who took a litter of puppies to her own breast when her dog died giving birth remains proud of her unusual move. Now, six weeks later, both her infant son and eight of the puppies that survived are crawling around the family's Christmas tree in Siggerud, west of Oslo.
Kine Skiaker, her son Emil and eight puppies are celebrating Christmas at the Skiaker home west of Oslo.
PHOTO: OLAV OLSEN
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"I've had lots of reaction, mostly positive," Kine Skiaker tells newspaper Aftenposten. But Skiaker also had to tolerate some less-than-flattering remarks.
"No one has complained to me directly, but I've heard from others that some people thought it was disgusting that I would nurse Emil (her son) and the puppies at the same time," she said. "I just have to tolerate that, and can only say that I washed myself thoroughly after I'd nursed the puppies."
Skiaker says she's also been told by experts that she helped save the puppies' lives. "That makes me feel good," she said. "Then I can accept that some think what I did was nauseating."
The drama began Friday November 8 when Skiaker's Canarian Warren Hound, named Aida, started giving birth to a litter of 14 puppies. Suddenly the puppies stopped coming and the next stop was the vet's office.
In the end, both Aida and three of the puppies died, while another three died later.
Those that survived were in desperate need of nourishment, and that's when Skiaker impulsively took them to her breast. She fed them over that first weekend, until surrogate mother dogs could be found to take over.
Today, the eight surviving puppies (four males and four females) are back in the Skiaker's home and in good health. So is baby Emil, now five months old and happy to play with his canine comrades in the Skiakers' living room.
One of the puppies will be soon be delivered to new owners in Kongsberg. She's the only one with a name, so far, and it's Aida, after her late mother.
deep said:There are more articles out there on Frist.
1-I am not going to post them, all.
2-The initial question was could you vote for someone who did this.
3-Many people have a right/ wrong mentality. Evil doers, etc. Either you are with us or against us.
4-Life is more complicated than that.
5-This seems to be prevalent in Conservatives groups.
6-Why it is not a slam in my opinion is because it is public information, true and something that was not in the discussion to hail Frist as the Second Coming.
7-After all, Rep r ppl too. They sin, lie, break laws and occasionally get elevated to high office.
8-Maybe, some of you might have liked it better if I posted, would you vote for a man that goes to Africa and does surgery in villages under the light of flashlights.
9-What would be the point in that?
bonosloveslave said:
*WE* judge what will disqualify someone (in our eyes) from being a worthy leader of our country. In the big scheme of things, God doesn't keep a point sheet when we do something wrong - "Uhoh, white lie = 1 point - oh, there he goes again, stole an extra newspaper = 5 points..." When we commit any sin, big or small (in our eyes), God's heart is broken and we are seperated from Him. When we can admit what we did was wrong and ask for forgiveness, the relationship is restored, and it is like that sin is cast to the ocean floor, never to be dredged up again. SOOOOOOO nice that Christ is able to do that, I think we would all be alot better off if we were capable of doing the same.
bonosloveslave said:Hi all,
Gotta ponder this one for a bit. As some of you know, I am a veterinary student, and animal dissection is part of my curriculum. My guess is, Frist was trying to further his understanding of anatomy - would you rather he went out, adopted a child, and dissected the child to get his anatomy lesson? As much as I love animals and my chosen profession, animals are NOT humans. I'm not saying that what he did was right, there are other ways he could have acquired the knowledge he was trying to gain. But this is something he did a long time ago, we all have done stupid things that we probably wouldn't have done if we had thought them through a bit more. NO ONE is perfect, ANY presidential candidate is going to have skeletons in their closet. He has expressed remorse for his actions. Just remember - in God's eyes, all sin is equal. Lying, envy, gluttony, etc is just as repulsive to Him as murder.
Arun V said:
I'll even take this a little further. IF the cat was euthanised humanley before dissection I don't know if it's really a horrible thing. I've done dissections in school ..those animals have to be killed in order for us to disect them. For god sakes ppl you think cows are treated humanely ????? pigs???? Chickens???
Mrs. Edge said:
Arun, I understand what you're saying here, but that's not the point as I see it. I work in a humane society, and a huge part of our mission is to find new, loving homes for animals that have suffered neglect, abuse and abandonment. We interview every candidate very carefully and have a list of known animal abusers.
If someone says the wrong thing in the interview, they can't have the pet. Furthermore, if someone adopts animals over and over again, they are immediately suspended from further adopting as this usually means they are selling the animals to labs, or in this case dissecting them themselves. I'm not sure what rules that humane society has, and why he wasn't caught. Maybe he went to different societies each time.
The point is, everyone can understand the need for students to dissect, as it has been mentioned, that should be happening as part of their classwork. (there are even supposedly good electronic alternatives, but I don't know muh about that and that's not the point). But (as has already been mentioned again) they should NOT be going to Humane Societies under the pretenses of adopting a pet. That is horrible. At least he admited what he did was wrong....then again of course he would, he's trying to get elected!
(and no, cows, pigs and chickens are not overall treated humanely...I got a free range turkey for Xmas. Yum!)