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Old 12-23-2002, 07:46 PM   #21
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Well, you're just giving me warm Non-Christmas fuzzies, diamond.







heheheh..
Peace
christmas=remdemption..
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christmas=remdemption..

well, chanukah and kwanzaa prob mean the same thing.
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Here kitty! kitty! kitty! kitty!

Here kitty! kitty! kitty! kitty!
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Hi all,

Gotta ponder this one for a bit. As some of you know, I am a veterinary student, and animal dissection is part of my curriculum. My guess is, Frist was trying to further his understanding of anatomy - would you rather he went out, adopted a child, and dissected the child to get his anatomy lesson? As much as I love animals and my chosen profession, animals are NOT humans. I'm not saying that what he did was right, there are other ways he could have acquired the knowledge he was trying to gain. But this is something he did a long time ago, we all have done stupid things that we probably wouldn't have done if we had thought them through a bit more. NO ONE is perfect, ANY presidential candidate is going to have skeletons in their closet. He has expressed remorse for his actions. Just remember - in God's eyes, all sin is equal. Lying, envy, gluttony, etc is just as repulsive to Him as murder.
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NO ONE is perfect, ANY presidential candidate is going to have skeletons in their closet. He has expressed remorse for his actions. Just remember - in God's eyes, all sin is equal. Lying, envy, gluttony, etc is just as repulsive to Him as murder.
I've got to agree with this...it was a long time ago and he admits he was wrong. If that is the biggest skeleton in his closet, I can get past it.
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Just remember - in God's eyes, all sin is equal. Lying, envy, gluttony, etc is just as repulsive to Him as murder.
Very well said, Beth.




It could be worse - he could have said something nice about Strom Thurmond.
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Just remember - in God's eyes, all sin is equal. Lying, envy, gluttony, etc is just as repulsive to Him as murder.
I am sorry, you guys are losing me here.

Murder- Lock the SOB up for the rest of his life.

Envy- Good for the American economy, I want the 40" HDTV my neighbor just bought. I envy so much I may break down and go to Best Buy and get one. While I'm at it, I envy my friends new Grand Cherokee, I might have to go to Phoenix and get a Diamond deal!

As I am eating someone else's Happy Festivus cookies am I guilty of gluttony?

I think God's eyes are in better shape than you suggest.

If not, I hope he raises his hands to his eyes and heals himself.
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I am sorry, you guys are losing me here.
I guess what I meant is, we all decide for ourselves (consciously or not) 'how bad is too bad'. Some think Frist shouldn't be elected if he runs for prez because of the cat situation. Others would say, well, if he murdered a person, that would be REALLY bad, then he definitely shouldn't get to be prez. Some would say the same if there was adultery in his past, where others would say who cares? What if he shoplifted as a 10 year old? At 40? At 10 years old, he would know what he was doing was wrong, but I bet alot of people would cut him some slack, vs. an incident occuring at 40 - BUT - shoplifting is shoplifting is shoplifting...........

Sorry to use these crappy examples, I don't mean to imply that Frist has done any of the above things

*WE* judge what will disqualify someone (in our eyes) from being a worthy leader of our country. In the big scheme of things, God doesn't keep a point sheet when we do something wrong - "Uhoh, white lie = 1 point - oh, there he goes again, stole an extra newspaper = 5 points..." When we commit any sin, big or small (in our eyes), God's heart is broken and we are seperated from Him. When we can admit what we did was wrong and ask for forgiveness, the relationship is restored, and it is like that sin is cast to the ocean floor, never to be dredged up again. SOOOOOOO nice that Christ is able to do that, I think we would all be alot better off if we were capable of doing the same.
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As I am eating someone else's Happy Festivus cookies am I guilty of gluttony?
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When we commit any sin, big or small (in our eyes), God's heart is broken and we are seperated from Him. When we can admit what we did was wrong and ask for forgiveness, the relationship is restored, and it is like that sin is cast to the ocean floor, never to be dredged up again. SOOOOOOO nice that Christ is able to do that, I think we would all be alot better off if we were capable of doing the same.


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It could be worse - he could have said something nice about Strom Thurmond.

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Quick!!!! Make her a citizen and have her run for Lott's seat in the Senate!!!!

Woman who nursed puppies has no regrets

A young Norwegian mother who took a litter of puppies to her own breast when her dog died giving birth remains proud of her unusual move. Now, six weeks later, both her infant son and eight of the puppies that survived are crawling around the family's Christmas tree in Siggerud, west of Oslo.



Kine Skiaker, her son Emil and eight puppies are celebrating Christmas at the Skiaker home west of Oslo.

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"I've had lots of reaction, mostly positive," Kine Skiaker tells newspaper Aftenposten. But Skiaker also had to tolerate some less-than-flattering remarks.
"No one has complained to me directly, but I've heard from others that some people thought it was disgusting that I would nurse Emil (her son) and the puppies at the same time," she said. "I just have to tolerate that, and can only say that I washed myself thoroughly after I'd nursed the puppies."

Skiaker says she's also been told by experts that she helped save the puppies' lives. "That makes me feel good," she said. "Then I can accept that some think what I did was nauseating."

The drama began Friday November 8 when Skiaker's Canarian Warren Hound, named Aida, started giving birth to a litter of 14 puppies. Suddenly the puppies stopped coming and the next stop was the vet's office.

In the end, both Aida and three of the puppies died, while another three died later.

Those that survived were in desperate need of nourishment, and that's when Skiaker impulsively took them to her breast. She fed them over that first weekend, until surrogate mother dogs could be found to take over.

Today, the eight surviving puppies (four males and four females) are back in the Skiaker's home and in good health. So is baby Emil, now five months old and happy to play with his canine comrades in the Skiakers' living room.

One of the puppies will be soon be delivered to new owners in Kongsberg. She's the only one with a name, so far, and it's Aida, after her late mother.
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If the election were held today, I would probably vote for him, depending on who his opponents are. I knew it would only be a matter of time before the "truth behind Bill Frist" articles begin to surface. He also broke up with a fiance prior to their wedding, so he must be a very, very bad man.

As bonosloveslave pointed out, students of veterinary medicine dissect cats, as well as dogs and other furry friends, quite often. I know someone who attended medical school just as Senator Frist did, and they dissected cats before they moved up to dissecting human cadavers. The human cadavers were from people who had died of natural causes and donated their remains to science in advance. The cats were not necessarily natural deaths. In 6th grade science class, we dissected a frog and a baby pig.

What is your opinon on animals used for research for medical cures? I hat eto inform you of this, but animals have even perished for AIDS research.

The lady who nursed the puppies may have a chance in Mississippi as duck hunting and other bird hunting is very popular there, and dogs are a valuable part of that practice.

At least for the sake of consistency, ALL of the people criticizing Senator Frist for this are 100% vegetarians.

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What is your opinon on animals used for research for medical cures? I hate to inform you of this, but animals have even perished for AIDS research.
Overall I think animal research is a good thing, as long as it is humanely carried out. Often, we are able to 'kill 2 birds with one stone' - drugs or treatments may end up being useful for both humans and animals at the end of a project. There are quite a few drugs out there that are safe or have few side effects in animals but ended up not being suitable for human use - many animals have still benefited.

Like it or not, humans are more valuable than animals, and though not all research is applicable across all species, we can get a lot of good info from research using animals and spare many human lives in the process. When it is possilbe to use other means for research, such as computer simulations or past case studies, I would wholeheartedly say to use that info first.
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Like it or not, humans are more valuable than animals....
ah shite
i dont stand a chance.
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Awww......I still love you Dave - I promise to never conduct experiments on you
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I normally don't post in FYM because I'm not overly fond of controversy. But I saw the heading of this thread, and honestly, I thought of Jack the Ripper! I'm reading Patricia Cornwell's book about him, "Portrait of a Killer". This is not cool about the cats.... ugh.
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We need Martha to keep people on topic.

1. This is not about animal research, these cat killings were not done as part of his course study.
2. To go to the humane society and adopt pets to kill them is illegal, the statue of limitations has expired by now.
3. We donít live in a world were people are punished for your perception of Godís sins. In the real world lying and murder are not equal.
4. He was a med student. He was over 18 years, an adult. He broke a law. Maybe, a felony? A law breaker leading the republicans? Any of these cats could have been someones family pet.
5. If your family pet got loose and was at the humane society, would you want it to end like this.
6. I donít believe our Vet-student or our Med-student would ever dream of doing anything like this.



Some of the rationalization is very interesting to me. To give the alternative of killing children or this behavior is absurd.

The alternative is to follow the course study and dissect animals in class or break the law and kill what we consider family pets.

All that being said, the reason I posted this was not to slam him. But, to ask the question ďWould you vote for him.?" I gave my answer in my initial post.
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All that being said, the reason I posted this was not to slam him. I gave my answer in my initial post.
Hi Bias-

plez define slam..
is it just less than besmirching one's good character?
help us out.

thank u..

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As some other people have pointed out, dissection is common in medical schools, allied health schools, nursing schools, and anywhere else you have to learn anatomy and go to those labs to pass the course. The students don't really have a choice so it's not fair to hold them responsible for the morality of the thing.
OK, enough controversy for today.
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