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One prisoner was transferred because he was Arab by birth and had once fought for the Taliban, thereby meeting two key screening criteria. But before the war he had sustained such a massive head injury that he could utter little more than his name and was known by interrogators at Guantanamo Bay as "half-head Bob."
__________________"He had basically had a combat lobotomy," the interrogator said. "Every [intelligence report] on him from Afghanistan said, 'No value, no value, don't send him.' " Quote:
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Why dosen't this surprise me?
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when will people learn, violence only leads to more violence. it's a vicious circle that just won't break.
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I thought our guests at Gitmo were being held for information purposes, not that they were likely terrorists. Given the post 9/11 climate for information gathering, its better to be over-inclusive, rather that under-inclusive.
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Yes we should be cautious but at what price? The US government is holding 1,182 Americans for "information purposes" but only 4 have actually been charged with crimes. The others are imprisoned because they are "suspicious" a.k.a. they're Arab. John Ashcroft is a dangerous guy who has been given way too much power by attaching the word "terrorism" to things.
This whole thing reminds me of a poem by a priest during the Holocaust about how the Nazis came for the Jews and he didn't say anything, they came for the Poles and he didn't say anything and when they came for him, there was no one to speak up. We should be cautious, we should potect this country, but we should not have the sacrifice our own freedom to do so. |
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Without security, one can never be free. My freedom is compromised when my government does not do what is necessary to provide for the security of the nation. The detentions and interrogations have the potential to prevent all kinds of terrorist attacks there by saving thousands of lives. Why some people here are more concerned about returning to the unnecessary free wheeling days before 9/11 than what actually happened on 9/11 is strange. Are military, and government are working hard every day to prevent the next terrorist attack. Terrorist attempt to hide in the civilian world to better conceal their efforts to kill others. In order to catch them, it is necessary to cast are nets far and wide. It must be done to help prevent another 9/11 or event 10 times worse than 9/11. The fact that mistakes will happen is a given, but the current course of action is clearly justified given the magnitude and potential of the problem.
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Wasn't it the Bible that stated that it was better to have ten guilty people go free than have one innocent person pay for a crime? Or is that book only for reactionary, bigoted intolerance?
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u know what?
weve been drunk on our civil rights for a too long . Apparently we needed a Homeland Security Office before 9-11 and better communication between differnt agencies. This woulda averted a terrorist attack. For now were winning the War On Terror. I think it a victory everyday we wake up and that we havnt had a major attack on our country since since 9-11. ![]() So please shut up. that said- For us to throw up are arms like little girls everytime there is a percieved misstep and claim were marching towards a totalitarian govt is qwite lame. Grow up. Get ready for the long haul ppl. We still are the freeist country in the world that offers the most goodness. We will continue to be so, as we proceed forward stomping out these maggots and cowards and placating our own naysayers as we do so... thank u- Diamond ![]() Godspeed. |
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Does the Bible tell us when to set them free? Seriously, it could be that they are set free at the end of the War on Terror. Hopefully for the innocent, it will be sooner rather than later. As for all of the people in who fought for the Taliban, the Bush Doctrine of you are either with us, or you are against us in the war on terror is in full application here. They were clearly against us. Peace |
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Melon,
Most people have so far just been detained, not convicted of a crime. Many of them may very well be released in the future. Again you have to look at the cost. Who ever wrote that passage of the bible might have a different view in light of the context in which the release of those that may be guilty could lead to thousands of INNOCENT dead people. Take the number of innocent people that may have been detained and compare that to the number of people that could be killed in a 9/11 attack or something much worse, if the government is not aggressive in detaining and catching terrorist. Current government action means that some innocent people may have been detained. IF the government does not do what it is doing now, thousands of innocent people could be killed. Which government action harms innocent people more? |
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More and more I consider myself lucky not to live in the USA, but in a country with more freedom. Some reason from the thought "what if a guilty terrorist comes free and start attacking us?" I reason from the thought "what if the government does this to me?" You might say, "hey, you don't have to fear if you've got nothing to hide," but that currently doesn't matter as even innocent people are detained so it could happen to you or me. And if it does, nobody will know or even care about it. Marty |
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If this is a war on "potentials"--which, so far, with the exception of 9/11/2001 is all that this "war" has been--we're in for a long ride. I think we've all seen science fiction films--"potential" is infinite. Our smallpox fears, for instance, have been invented by us; there is no evidence, nor has there ever been any talk of smallpox even being considered as a biological weapon. But it is the "potential." In essence, people keep on talking about us being the "freest" nation in the world; I guess if you say it enough, you'll learn to believe it yourself, right? We've become prisoners of our own fear, and this is the legacy our descendents will inherit from us--the war on "potentials" that will never end, not even when bin Laden is ancient history. Not even when Al-Qaeda is nothing more than disparate rubble. There will always be that proverbial "Other" and all the imprisonment in the world will not eliminate the "Other." But we're supposedly the "freest" nation in the world. Keep on telling yourself that. Melon |
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Popmartian,
How many innocent people has the US government targeted and murdered since 9/11? How many innocent people did terrorist target and kill on 9/11? If you can't see the difference there then it will be rather difficult to discuss this. Why do you scrutinize security measures that save peoples lives? Why are you so concerned about the living conditions of people that are committed to killing you and everyone in the western world? Most of those detained in Afghanistan have better living conditions here in captivity then they did when they were Al Quada or Taliban soldiers back in Afghanistan! 3,025 people were murdered on 9/11. Its amazing to see people here giving lip service to that fact and expending their time and energy on the living conditions for terrorist most of whom have it better than they ever did in Afghanistan. How about preventing the next terrorist attack. You don't like what the government is doing. Its changed its policy since 9/11 in order to catch terrorist who are hiding within civilian society. Obviously you don't think thats a good idea. Instead of critizesing the government and worrying about the living standard of terrorist, how about coming up with your own alternative solutions that would catch terrorist that are out and prevent thousands or millions of people from being murdered in the next attack. The Criminal Justice system of every country makes mistakes. The fact that a few innocent people have been detained is a tiny concern compared to a potential terrorist attack killing millions of people. Far better to have to experience the detention of some innocent people than to have a catastrophic event in which millions of people are killed. Or would you prefer to have things the other way around? I don't think you would. |
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Well said Sting!
__________________I am thoroughly dismayed at the number of people who would see us do nothing! Eventually all of the "detainees" in Guantanamo will be freed. Peace |
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