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Old 02-22-2012, 05:21 PM   #81
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To me Rick Santorum doesn't even seem Catholic and definitely seems more evangelical. Maybe part of it is where I live and grew up, maybe Catholics elsewhere are far more conservative. I don't think of PA as being like that so I don't know. Supposedly his political (not personal) position on abortion used to be more moderate, so maybe he's become more conservative like Romney has.

I don't see Hillary running, I do think she wants to just enjoy the rest of her life. Especially if Chelsea has any kids. After watching that Clinton PBS special I can't say I'd blame her one bit.
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The middle of PA is much more conservative, but it's generally overwhelmed by the east and west sides when it comes to full elections. But yeah, it has its affects. I go to a major university, yet it's quite conservative because of it's surroundings.
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By Elicia Dover
Feb 20, 2012 9:02pm
Gingrich: Obama Is ‘Dangerous,’ Defeating Him ‘a Duty of National Security’


TULSA, Okla. — While discussing the threat of Iran today to a crowd of about 4,000 people at Oral Roberts University, Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich said that defeating Barack Obama was “in fact, a duty of national security.”

“Because the fact is, he is incapable of defending the United States,” Gingrich said.

Gingrich told the crowd, many of them young students, there was a real threat of an American city being wiped out. Gingrich said the Obama administration refuses to acknowledge radical Islamists.

“All of you should be very deeply concerned about national security. Barack Obama is the most dangerous president in modern American history,” Gingrich said.

Gingrich said the Obama administration was demonstrating “willful dishonesty” over describing what motivated the suspected terrorist from Morocco, who was arrested Friday by FBI agents for allegedly plotting to blow up the Capitol.

“Any honest person knows what motivated the person who came here,” Gingrich said. “This is not smearing everybody, this is not Islamaphobia. If we can’t have honest conversation about radical Islamists and we can’t figure out — there is a very specific group of people across the planet — there’s a very specific desire to kill us.”

Gingrich said the Obama administration was intellectually disarmed and incapable of describing threats that face the United States.

“The president wants to unilaterally weaken the United States, he wants to cut the aide to Israel for its anti-ballistic missile defense, he refuses to take Iran seriously,” Gingrich said. “We are in a world that is very dangerous. And I say this to those of you who represent the next generation because you’re going to bear the consequences.”
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Yep. He's so dangerous he's only put out an order to get rid of bin Laden and supported uprisings that toppled other dictators in Arab nations . What exactly would you do instead, then, Newt?

He was speaking at Oral Roberts University. I've heard about that place .

As for Santorum...if he claimed he belonged to a religion I followed, I'd be deeply embarrassed on behalf of my religion and its followers.
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Gingrich, I think, is trying to take a page from Steve Jobs' playbook and create a "reality distortion field" around his speeches. Trouble is, it works best when you're merely exaggerating things. Gingrich is just making stuff up.
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I'm embarrassed by many of Santorum's professed views and that he's now a serious candidate. Not at all embarrassed that by the religious aspect, he doesn't represent me or my beliefs in any way and he's not a spokesperson for any or all Catholics. Individuals have minds and opinions of their own.
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He was speaking at Oral Roberts University. I've heard about that place .
a good friend of mine goes there. I think the rumors about it are fairly accurate.
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I don't see Hillary running
I'm not seeing her running either.
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^ a brisk walk on a tread mill, is the most one could hope hor


watching the CNN debate on delay right now
this 2 shot edit is working against Santorum and for Paul
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"I will answer whatever I want! Waaah!"

Mitt, what a giant douche.
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"I will answer whatever I want! Waaah!"

Mitt, what a giant douche.
That's not what he said. He said that you get to ask any question you want I will answer the question the way I want. Don't be so bitter
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Reagan was 69 in 1980, when 69 was closer to grave health than it is now.
George HW Bush was 68 when he left office almost 20 years ago.
Eisenhower was 70 when he left office in the health climate of 1960.
Bob Dole was 73 in 1996 (and he's still alive 16 years later).
McCain was 72 when he ran in 2008.
Ron Paul is currently 76.
Newt will be 69 this June.
John Adams lived to be 90, Madison 85 and Jefferson 83.


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I don't disagree with those speculations, but so much can happen between now and then. Will any of you say that anyone would have suggested Obama in Feb of 2004?
We wouldn't suggest anyone as dramatically unqualified as Obama was in Feb of 2004. And we all know it. Could something similar happen again, where a candidate falls from the sky and captures the zeitgeist of the mainstream media and the vast majority of the young voting public? Doubtful. Obama struck all the right chords with all the right people and rode a unique wave to the Presidency. We would need something similar to happen to an Independent third party candidate to really effectuate any kind of real change in DC. And even then, would probably run into even worse problems without having some blind partisan support.
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He said that you get to ask any question you want I will answer the question the way I want. Don't be so bitter
Sounds like Mitt's the one who's bitter.
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Reagan was 69 in 1980, when 69 was closer to grave health than it is now.
George HW Bush was 68 when he left office almost 20 years ago.
Eisenhower was 70 when he left office in the health climate of 1960.
Bob Dole was 73 in 1996 (and he's still alive 16 years later).
McCain was 72 when he ran in 2008.
Ron Paul is currently 76.
Newt will be 69 this June.
John Adams lived to be 90, Madison 85 and Jefferson 83.
And I don't think the country wants this anymore.
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I NEVER put much stock in polls, especially those that are months from an election, but this is still truly terrifying. How is Santorum behind by only 1 %?


http://www.gallup.com/poll/152918/Ro...ationally.aspx
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I NEVER put much stock in polls, especially those that are months from an election, but this is still truly terrifying. How is Santorum behind by only 1 %?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152918/Ro...ationally.aspx
There was a time when Rick Perry polled favorably against Obama.
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You're right.

Again, I never pay attention to polls either way, but the fact that Santorum was so high nationally was alarming to me.
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And I don't think the country wants this anymore.
Because outside of the three Founders, I only listed Republicans?
Is that what you mean by "this"?

Joe Biden will be a few weeks short of 70 on election night.
Why doesn't the country want Joe Biden?
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Because outside of the three Founders, I only listed Republicans?
Is that what you mean by "this"?

Joe Biden will be a few weeks short of 70 on election night.
Why doesn't the country want Joe Biden?
No, that's not what I meant at all, but nice try...

I just meant that I think the days of electing the post 65 year old are gone.
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i'd be inclined to disagree. while youth and energy are always admired because they inspire things like, say, hope, i think there's a recognition that people just don't age in the way that they used to even 20 years ago. many people remain sharp and vital and at their best well into their 70s.

that said, i'm all for younger candidates so we can get beyond this Baby Boomer/Vietnam paralysis. i'd hoped Obama would be able to do that.
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