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Old 02-06-2012, 03:50 PM   #881
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nope. totes real.
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Old 02-06-2012, 06:03 PM   #882
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The screwed generation: Libertarian, not liberal
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There is an old adage that says, “If you’re young and conservative you have no heart, if you’re old and liberal you have no brain.” The idea is that young people tend to make decisions more on idealistic views or out of passionate attempts at charity and altruism. While there is some truth to that for Generation Y (meaning people born in the ’80s and ’90s), the results are manifesting themselves in a totally different way.

We are the generation that continues to pay into Social Security with every paycheck but suspects we may never see the benefits of it. We are the recipients of degrees that don’t mean much from educational institutions that teach less and cost more. We are the casualties of wars that have gone on for over half of the lifetime of 2012′s first-time voters. In short, we are the screwed generation. The decisions of those before us has left us with an uncertain future and little opportunity to fix things through traditional means.

The ever-present skepticism of youth is even greater within the collective consciousness of Generation Y. And how could it not be? With our first real chance to make a splash in the world, we got behind Barack Obama in overwhelming numbers. He was a candidate who promised progress in every issue that the under-30 crowd found to be important: end the wars, defend gay rights and provide universal healthcare to the American people. While he’s made some steps forward, it’s been slow moving. Meanwhile, the House and Senate have deliberated on bills that would censor our voices on the Internet, a medium on which my generation relies heavily for communication and pretty much everything else. Just as we organized online to support Obama in 2008, we organized the protests against legislation like SOPA and PIPA, and the Occupy Wall Street movement uses the Internet to broadcast its events and actions.
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Ask any kid on the street their opinion on gay marriage. I can almost guarantee you they’ll be in favor of it, or at the very least aren’t opposed to it. Ask the same about abortion and you’ll find a similar amount of permissiveness. If they aren’t in possession of marijuana, they probably know someone who is. This is what we bring to the table: a lenient, open-minded approach to personal decisions. It’s reflected in almost every part of our culture. We’re decidedly less religious, with only 44% of our age bracket finding religion to be important. That doesn’t mean there aren’t still many people of faith in our generation, but even those who believe are more understanding of those who don’t. We’re a generation that pirates television shows, movies, games and music, but will show up to more concerts and support independent artists and the media we love. Many of the universal views of our generation come down to holding a permissive attitude toward the behaviors of individuals.

...This is why libertarianism—and the Ron Paul candidacy—has been so appealing to young voters. Paul ended his candidacy for president in 2008 polling at about 6.5% nationally. From the moment the campaign trail opened back up for a 2012 run, his support has increased steadily, and he currently sits at around 12% in national polls. He’s also continually dominated the youth vote in nearly every primary. It’s no fluke that the old guy preaching liberty and personal freedom is getting the attention of the youngest demographic, either. Because Paul supports sending social issues down to the states, he’s no longer having those discussions; he’d rather talk economics. This is what makes the Ron Paul movement truly important. He’s not the perfect candidate, but watch any event that he shows up to in any given state. His audience is overwhelmingly made up of college-age kids who happily applaud at ideas like a 0% income tax, abolishing the Federal Reserve, and reinstituting the gold standard (or something equivalent) that would put value behind the US dollar again. Not only do they cheer, but they understand. These are concepts that aren’t lost on them, but rather resonate in them. These are the conversations that we’re willing to have, and the ideas we’re willing to debate about.
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We still vote with our heart; it’s just in a slightly different place. We’d rather bring home our troops from overseas and save those lives while spending that money to establish a universal healthcare system that will save even more. This isn’t necessarily because we believe the government should take care of us, it’s because everyone deserves to be healthy and the powers that be before us mangled the system so badly that it’s becoming impossible to afford. This is an example of our generation trying to take care of our own as much as it is trying to create change. While the concept of universal healthcare may be defined as “liberal,” it’s a fairly libertarian approach of non-interventionism and personal rights that brings us there.
Paul, of course, opposes universal health care, a contradiction to the author's endorsement(?) which goes unaddressed.

The generalization that "Gen Y" has stronger libertarian impulses than older Americans seems right to me, though I don't find this author's attempts to frame support for Ron Paul's economic policies as retooled liberalism very convincing.

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The article's pretty spot on about its summary of my generation and how we feel about all the big issues of the day, and finally addresses our frustrations about some of these issues (the Social Security thing-yeah, thank you) in a way that barely anyone talks about. And I think the author is right in why Ron Paul appeals so much to younger voters.

However, yeah, there are things about Paul's platform that do fly in the face of some of those issues we care about. And there's still those papers from his past. I can't get past that. But I don't know how many young voters know that story.

The link to that "Debbie" ad-wow. That is horribly offensive.

And Karl Rove talking about how taxpayers' money shouldn't go to corporate advertising and political stuff of that kind? That is RICH (no pun intended ).
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Really? You guys can't take five seconds to double-check something like this?

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No one said it was real, just funny.
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Really? You guys can't take five seconds to double-check something like this?
Ewwww, HuffPost is in Canada now, too? I feel dirty.

Not clicking as to keep them from getting my pageview.
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Not a big fan of work-for-free article mills for wannabe journalists, scrambling around to get Ariana Huffington ad revenue from pageviews.
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Bleacher Report is satanic. Guys who can't spell writing articles that get millions of views simply because their slideshow format exponentially increases their pageviews.
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hope that helps.
Not really, unfortunately. It's superficial analysis from the MSM.







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Not really, unfortunately. It's superficial analysis from the MSM.







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so it's still falling, then?

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also, rough night for Mittens.

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Santorum has a shot at going 3-for-3 tonight since turnout in the Colorado suburbs was much higher than in the cities (basically, the rural folks are so anti-Romney that they're showing up in droves).

You have to wonder who Newt Gingrich would prefer out of the two. The sooner he drops out of the race, the sooner Republicans could get behind Santorum and prevent a Romney victory. Also, one wonders what would happen if Republicans have a convention where nobody collected a majority of delegates. It would seem probable that some faction could form together to accumulate more than Romney (say, Paul giving a hundred or so to Santorum and making a deal that Ron's the VP candidate). In fact, this would be such a good strategic decision for both that I could see Santorum urging his followers to vote for Paul in states like Indiana and Virgina where Mr. Santorum failed to make the ballot.

Also noteworthy is that the final primary is in Utah. If it's anywhere close, Mitt Romney will certainly be given the delegate magic number thanks to that state due in part to both his Mormonism and Republicans wanting to avoid a brokered convention.
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Santorum has a shot at going 3-for-3 tonight since turnout in the Colorado suburbs was much higher than in the cities (basically, the rural folks are so anti-Romney that they're showing up in droves).
And there are some incredibly conservative areas in eastern Colorado. Boulder and Denver are pretty liberal, but get outside of that area and it changes quickly. I remember reading an article in Rolling Stone a few years ago that talked about just how conservative certain areas of that state are.

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You have to wonder who Newt Gingrich would prefer out of the two. The sooner he drops out of the race
*Gets down on knees and prays for this to happen as soon as possible*

That is a good question. It'd be awfully funny if Gingrich endorsed Romney, given all the back and forth fighting between them thus far, but I can see him endorsing Romney if need be (albeit perhaps through clenched "they're making me do this" teeth). If he ties himself to Santorum, that "family values" mantra of Santorum and his supporters is going to be up against Newt "been married three times and left two wives when they fell ill" Gingrich's situation, so...yeah.

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Also noteworthy is that the final primary is in Utah. If it's anywhere close, Mitt Romney will certainly be given the delegate magic number thanks to that state due in part to both his Mormonism and Republicans wanting to avoid a brokered convention.
Ooh. Yes. That one will be quite interesting to watch.
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Rick Santorum swept all three Republican presidential contests held on Tuesday, winning caucuses in Colorado and Minnesota as well as Missouri's primary. Though no delegates were at stake in Tuesday's contests, Santorum's wins give his campaign fresh momentum against national front-runner Mitt Romney. Santorum's win in Colorado was confirmed by the Colorado GOP chairman late Tuesday night.
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