GOP Nominee 2012 - Who Will It Be?, Pt. 3

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Who is he to tell anyone that they shouldn't be allowed to marry?

Sanctity of marriage It's all about moral character but even more about two sets of standards, one for yourself and and an entirely different one for others. That's what really makes me sick.

Exactly. As one who has come around on the gay marriage issue the last year or so, it makes me sick as well. The Republican Party is going to lose an entire generation of potential voters over this hypocrisy, and they seem oblivious to that fact.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

Exactly. As one who has come around on the gay marriage issue the last year or so, it makes me sick as well. The Republican Party is going to lose an entire generation of potential voters over this hypocrisy, and they seem oblivious to that fact.

Nice post

[Pearl]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

Exactly. As one who has come around on the gay marriage issue the last year or so, it makes me sick as well.

[2861U2]

By the way, for those keeping score at home preparing for the CNN debate:

The last 6 consecutive debates Newt Gingrich has referenced Ronald Reagan within about 20 seconds of his first speaking opportunity. I'm not kidding. Will he make it seven tonight? I say he will.

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

and that, to me, is the beating, ugly, black heart of the social conservative movement. it is anathema to liberty and freedom to pretend that there is only one way to live and to punish people for being different while living apart from the rules you seek to impose on others.

Character is a very part of what we should be looking for in leaders and it's fair game to point out hypocrisy between ones rhetoric and actions. But...

There is nothing wrong with promoting an ideal, a higher standard, even though very few may actually realize that goal. How many Eddie Van Halens or Jimmy Pages come along but every guitar player and teacher should at least attempt to emulate their technique and expertise.

As for the "beating, ugly, black heart of the social conservative movement," well...

now you know how conservatives feel when global warming scolds such as Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio create carbon footprints 10 or 20 fold what the average American creates with their mansions and travel. When elected serial womanizers and philanderers get a free pass from women's organizations if they vote the right way on abortion and other issues they support. When politicians vote against school vouchers for inner city children while sending their own to private schools. When they moor their yacht in Rhode Island to avoid the luxury taxes in Massachusetts they supported. Etc, etc.

[maycocksean]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

That's what's wrong with my party- the people who will take Newt's response of "I made a mistake. I've become a grandfather. I've found God. Ronald Reagan." as sufficient and all will be forgiven.

I cannot in good conscience ever vote for this guy to be president.

I have to say I've really been impressed with your posts of late. I've appreciated your disapassionate analysis of what's going on in the GOP.

And I'll be honest. . . I like that you're still a conservative. We need those voices around here, and lately you've been bringing some pretty decent substance to the table for the Right point of view.

I guess I'm just always really impressed when someone can critically assess their own "side" and yet still support that side.

Originally Posted by INDY500

now you know how conservatives feel when global warming scolds such as Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio create carbon footprints 10 or 20 fold what the average American creates with their mansions and travel. When elected serial womanizers and philanderers get a free pass from women's organizations if they vote the right way on abortion and other issues they support. When politicians vote against school vouchers for inner city children while sending their own to private schools. When they moor their yacht in Rhode Island to avoid the luxury taxes in Massachusetts they supported. Etc, etc.

A fair point.

The Lesson: Hypocrisy knows no political affiliation.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

which is all well and good. if you want an open marriage, go for it.

Well, it's usually a common courtesy to ask for an open marriage before you start sleeping with other women.

[yolland]

^ I have a friend whose (now ex-)wife did exactly that (after he discovered she'd been having an affair, by finding her in a hot tub with the guy)--she only then started talking about wanting an open marriage, not liking to feel "confined" etc. People who genuinely believe in non-monogamy will be the first to tell prospective partners that upfront; it's a matter of principle for them, not a hedge or an out. All she revealed by it was that she was a vain and selfish person who didn't want responsibility for the consequences of her actions...not a desirable trait in any life partner, open relationship or not.

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by maycocksean

The Lesson: Hypocrisy knows no political affiliation.

Yes, and the same can be said of corruption. Doesn't mean that hypocrisy and corruption shouldn't be pointed out, only that vigilance should include a glance in the mirror once in a while too.

[INDY500]

Great debate. Even Ron Paul made sense tonight. However, Santorum was trying too hard to draw differences between himself and the others and came across as somewhat of a needledick.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by maycocksean

The Lesson: Hypocrisy knows no political affiliation.

but Leonardo DiCaprio isn't passing any laws.

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

but Leonardo DiCaprio isn't passing any laws.

That's fair given the context of the your quote. Still hypocritical on a personal level though.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by INDY500

That's fair given the context of the your quote. Still hypocritical on a personal level though.

there's a big difference between a Hollywood actor who donates millions to environmental causes and drives a hybrid while taking a private jet to S. Africa to watch the World Cup with friends vs. an elected former Speaker of the House preach about "family values," about protecting the "sanctity" of "traditional marriage, and pursuing Bill Clinton's private life -- all things with real, tangible consequences that affect the lives of everyday people, like writing anti-gay bigotry into the US COnstitution, forcibly divorce gay couples, and ban adoptions by same-sex couples -- while at the same time living a life utterly contradictory to the ideals he seeks to impose on everyone else.

[BigMacPhisto]

Callista Gingrich has to be the hottest female-to male-to female transexual I've ever seen in my life.

[Canadiens1131]

To remind us how much Mitt is in touch with the hard scrabble recession of everyday America mainstreet Joe the Plumber, he currently has at least $ 20 million and at most $ 100 million in an individual retirement account.

Romney's Unorthodox IRA - WSJ.com

The Gilded Age is back, bitches.

[BigMacPhisto]

Well, it's good to see he's saving up so he can retire comfortably.

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

Callista Gingrich has to be the hottest female-to male-to female transexual I've ever seen in my life.

Seriously? That's uncalled for.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

Seriously? That's uncalled for.

yeah, i agree. and that's also a kind of offensive to trans people.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

and i respect you for voting your values.

see, i personally have no problem with people who may mutually agree to an open relationship. i have minimal problem with people who have affairs or less than perfect marriages -- life is long, marriage is work, libidos must be controlled, and god knows we aren't perfect.

i'm much more bothered by him dumping his wives when they become sick (cancer, MS) than with wanting an open relationship. i also think that, yes, people make mistakes, they grow and mature, etc.

the problem is when you extend no such compassion to others, when you demonize others who live differently than you claim to, and when you actively live a life vastly different from the one you preach to others.

Well said .

And for the record, I think John Edwards is a douchebag, too. I was never a big supporter of the guy to begin with when he ran in the past, I'd always favored Obama/Kucinich. But hearing about his actions bothered me, too. Cheating is one thing and a problem in and of itself, but when you step out on someone who is ill, if not deathly sick, that's just beyond low. I fully agree that hypocrisy must be called out more on both ends with any issue, definitely.

Originally Posted by 2861U2

CNN is reporting that Perry is dropping out today and endorsing Gingrich.

I read an article on this this morning, and Perry was talking about how he felt Obama was leading us "down a dangerous path".

So naturally, to stop that, he goes ahead and supports Gingrich .

It's funny that some voters are so desperate to go for these guys who supposedly "appeal more to the base". They forget that while they may like these guys, for one reason or another, they're not the only ones voting, and there's many more in the country who find the Gingrichs/Bachmanns/Perrys/Santorums troublesome at best, downright offensive at worst. And if I were a member of the base, and people assumed that these sorts of candidates automatically were good for me and would "speak for me", I'd be a little offended by that.

I will echo the sentiments of those about our more conservative posters here. Things have gotten heated every now and again, but I do appreciate the general respect you've shown in debates, and the arguments you bring up. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't, but either way, I enjoy the discussion. If it weren't for you guys it'd be nothing but an echo chamber in here, and that gets boring after a while .

[BigMacPhisto]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

yeah, i agree. and that's also a kind of offensive to trans people.

Sorry if anyone thought I was offensive, I was just going for random funny. That's all.