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Old 01-09-2012, 11:06 AM   #201
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Nashua, New Hampshire (CNN) – As he offered a lengthy rumination Monday on his experience in the private sector and how it would inform his presidency, Mitt Romney made another comment that will likely provide fodder for his opponents.

"I like being able to fire people who provide services to me," Romney said while answering a question from an audience member about health care.

As he described his approach to overhauling the health care system, the GOP candidate added: "If someone doesn't give me a good service that I need, I want to say I'm going to go get someone else to provide that service to me."

The remark came a day after Romney said he had feared getting a "pink slip" at times during his career.

Both his Democratic and Republican rivals seized on the "pink slip" comment Sunday, poking fun at the multi-millionaire, former businessman.
Romney's speech Monday to the Nashua Chamber of Commerce was peppered with stories about austerity measures the former businessman had brought from the private sector to government during his term as Massachusetts governor.

He described launching his career at Bain Capital, a private equity firm he headed in the 1990s and which invested in starting up Staples, an office-supply chain.

"Because money was dear in a start-up, where everybody's investments and careers were in some respects on the line or some were at least, people were careful with money," he said, telling the audience he helped stock store shelves at night and attended meetings at the company's headquarters "in an old King's department store."

Romney's business history has become a bull's-eye for his GOP rivals and Democrats looking to attack the frontrunner.

At the end of his speech a woman stood up to ask Romney a question, saying the event organizers would not call on her. Speaking without a microphone, the woman said she was a representative for the United Auto Workers and pushed Romney on his opposition to the government bailout of General Motors - a move she said saved the jobs of many auto workers.

Romney responded his suggestion for a managed bankruptcy plan for the struggling auto manufacturer would have resulted in "a strong and vibrant General Motors" without making concessions to unions. He charged President Obama had bowed to unions in the deal, calling it "crony capitalism."

"Under my plan, General Motors would have shed its excess costs. The workers would have had their jobs," Romney said. "I believe the market works better than a president stepping in to take care of his friends."
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and yet they all do it on both sides. Kerry did it in 2004 and it might have cost him that election,
I'm curious as to what nut jobs you saw Kerry catering to?
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i agree up until the last statement. and this is why in my laundry list of qualities/positions a candidate should have, economic stuff is much further down on the list than, say, foreign policy and social issues.

would McCain have pushed through the same stimulus that prevented a second Great Depression?

i'm sure he would have been advised to do so.

actually, perhaps maybe he would have. perhaps it would have been even bigger, the $1.5T that was likely needed. because it would have come from a Republican.
He actually was campaigning on a spending freeze during the general election. So his stimulus might not have been too much, although it still probably would have happened because of advisers, like you said. But still I think the economy would have been essentially where it's at today, with lower spending. There has been way too much stimulus, from both the Fed and the Treasury, and at some point you just have to let the economy take it's time. You can't get nine women pregnant and expect a baby in one month.
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I have a lot of Left friends.

Privately, they all fear Mitt the most, meaning that he is most likely to beat Obama in the general,
I interact w them daily.

They would love for Newt, Perry or Santorum to be a nominee-which would be less of a challenge.

I've never seen such pettiness and jealously on the Right, Newt being the largest example of divisiveness. He's ego surpasses all understanding.

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Agreed! But here is part of the problem, why would someone bother to work at a fast food restaurant for minimum wage when they could stay home and collect welfare or unemployment compensation, and free healthcare? I understand their plight but there has to be some incentive for them to take that step, and unfortunately, some Americans are too lazy to step out of their own shadow.
Sometimes, yes, but even low-paying jobs, if we raised the wages just a little bit at least so someone could reasonably survive enough to pay for the basics, that'd definitely be a helpful incentive.

I think it'd also help, too, if people didn't automatically dismiss one's lack of college experience as a reason they couldn't get a job. Often people wind up in low-paying jobs because that's all they can find if all they have is a high school degree. But just because they didn't have formal college training doesn't mean they're automatically ill-equipped to do better paying jobs.

I'm honestly curious as to how anyone nowadays can find a way to take advantage of government aid, can scam from it. When my family used it, we had to go through insane amounts of paperwork and red tape and had to prove for sure that everything was completely legit. Maybe it varies from state to state, the paperwork, I dunno. But they sure didn't make it easy for us when we used it.

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Spot on. However, when is someone going to challenge these big corporations who move their tax base overseas to avoid paying taxes in America? That's something which should be looked at from both sides, of course, shouldn't there be a greater incentive for them to "come home" in the form of a lower tax rate?
Definitely agreed on this. This should be a question that should be raised much more often. I think Clinton did something like that, didn't he? He gave companies big and small tax breaks if they actually physically were able to show they were hiring people here at home and actually creating decent jobs. Which, if that's happening, I have no problem with that. If the company's working hard and has solid employment statistics, and they're doing fair, honest business, yeah, give 'em lower taxes (and if they're not doing fair, honest business, they should just be shut down. If I were to commit illegal acts at my job or screw up massively, I'd get fired and/or sent to jail. The same should hold true for big corporations).

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The Ayers comments are relevant to the context of the original post several pages back, where Romney was being questioned by someone in the crowd, and someone else here seemed to mock that line of questioning (how dare they?). This led to my post "Where was this line of questioning in 2008?" regarding Ayers and Obama's general lack of overall experience.
I actually do remember quite a big stink made over the Obama/Ayers thing in 2008. Maybe not as much from left-leaning media, no, but boy, Fox News and other conservative outlets sure did fire up that story. I remember hearing Palin constantly getting on Obama about that, and all I could think is, "You're married to a man who wants Alaska to secede from the U.S., Miss 'I'm Such A Patriotic American', so who are you to talk about connections?"

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While i do agree with you that it shouldn't be a campaign issue in 2012, because personally i don't believe there are any connections between the two other than what's already been stated, I also think that people your age or younger should be aware of the history before they vote and then make their own decision based on facts and not spin from either side.
I do agree young people's history is sorely lacking nowadays. But of all the issues currently out there for young people, even if they know of this history, this isn't the top concern on their list.

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I only say this in interest of full disclosure, because i can already tell you that in the coming months we are going to hear every little detail of Romney's past, every penny he's ever made or spent, every business he has shut down and every person affected by his Bain Capital ventures. Just like we've already heard all of the details of the personal life of Newt Gingrich (vomit) as well as Mack Daddy Cain's purported extramarital affairs and indecent proposals.

And if by some extraordinary turn of events Romney isn't the GOP nominee and one of the wingnuts is (Santorum, for example), prepare to hear about how much he hates gays and how he has a secret God-given agenda to seek and rebuke this "unholy lifestyle".
Fair enough. I agree, if we're going to delve into one politician's past, we should do it with all of them. But I think, too, we should also be more rational in what we decide to pull out from their past. If it has ties to their political views past or present, if it involves their business dealings and the money that funds their campaigns, stuff like that, bring it all out there.

But if a candidate smoked pot when he was in college...eh. Not exactly a bombshell news story. More like a, "No duh, who didn't?" story.

I'm not a Romney supporter, but I'd definitely prefer he be the nominee, because the others are just...insane, for one thing, and I don't want to have to hear them talk and spew nonsense for the next year (and even though I logically know they have nearly no chance of winning, there's always going to be that part of me that worries, "Yeah, but...what if...?").

Second, if Romney is indeed going to be genuine competition against Obama, good. If that means that gets Obama to fight back more and get tougher on the stuff he really wants to do, to prove to people why he deserves a second term, I'm all for that.

(Plus, given how many Republicans are so deadset on anyone BUT Romney, watching them have to try and praise him and support him for the next year while squirming will be sort of a guilty pleasure of mine )

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Privately, they all fear Mitt the most,
Can you read the minds of your right leaning friends as well? What do they privately fear?
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Nashua, New Hampshire (CNN) – As he offered a lengthy rumination Monday on his experience in the private sector and how it would inform his presidency, Mitt Romney made another comment that will likely provide fodder for his opponents.

"I like being able to fire people who provide services to me," Romney said while answering a question from an audience member about health care.

As he described his approach to overhauling the health care system, the GOP candidate added: "If someone doesn't give me a good service that I need, I want to say I'm going to go get someone else to provide that service to me."
whats wrong with that? If people are worthless maybe they need to be let go so that more deserving people can step in and fill their shoes. Not that i want to see anyone lose their jobs, but i can tell you from my own experience, i see plenty of "abuse" in the system i work in. Its amazing, wasteful, and the abusers know their job is safe because nobody is going to do a damn thing to them.
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it is just a question of how you see yourself

are you someone that pays people for things?

are you someone that is at risk of being let go by someone who pays unless your job is guaranteed or protected by more than supply and demand

private sector is able to let people go
public sector often times has to keep paying people than many believe should have been let go

I have friends who serve on our Civil Service Board
nobody hardly ever gets let go

We had a policeman in a bar drinking on the clock, kept his job and full benefits
private sector would have let that employee go, on the spot.
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I'm curious as to what nut jobs you saw Kerry catering to?
John Kerry took the stage at the 2004 Democratic convention with a salute and the phrase "Im John Kerry and I'M reporting for duty" This was an obvious swipe at George Bush who was accused by the Dan Rather's and the Michael Moore's' of being AWOL from the military/ Air National Guard during Vietnam. It was later dis-proven and Dan Rather even lost his job for airing a hack story. Michael Moore had a similar claim on his website which he supposedly offered $10k to anyone who could refute or disprove.

As a footnote, when i left active duty military i went into the National Guard for 15 months. Before my term ended in the guard i was offered a contracting job overseas with the government, so i requested and was granted an early discharge from the Guard. Thing is, they screwed up and kept me on their books, which meant they kept me on their manpower rosters and kept insurance on me, and i was funded on all of their drills and maneuvers. Even though i was out of the country and had the discharge in my hand. Years later i found out that i owed back taxes on the money which i failed to pay for my portion of the insurance, due to the fact that i did not draw any drill pay (because that part of me was separated from them).

Once i had paid them the money that i had supposedly owed to the state (not federal), i hired an attorney to investigate this on my behalf to try and make sure everything was legit. Come to find out, they had no record of me even having served in the guard unit, despite the Honorable Discharge i had and the LES (leave and earning statements) that they had sent me for the time i actually served. Surprised?
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But if a candidate smoked pot when he was in college...eh. Not exactly a bombshell news story. More like a, "No duh, who didn't?" story.

I'm not a Romney supporter, but I'd definitely prefer he be the nominee, because the others are just...insane, for one thing, and I don't want to have to hear them talk and spew nonsense for the next year (and even though I logically know they have nearly no chance of winning, there's always going to be that part of me that worries, "Yeah, but...what if...?").

Second, if Romney is indeed going to be genuine competition against Obama, good. If that means that gets Obama to fight back more and get tougher on the stuff he really wants to do, to prove to people why he deserves a second term, I'm all for that.

(Plus, given how many Republicans are so deadset on anyone BUT Romney, watching them have to try and praise him and support him for the next year while squirming will be sort of a guilty pleasure of mine )
Right, who cares if a candidate smoked pot in college? Really! It will be nice watching the anti-Romney fringe, teabaggers, & wingnuts come out and support him even though it makes them uncomfortable.



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John Kerry took the stage at the 2004 Democratic convention with a salute and the phrase "Im John Kerry and I'M reporting for duty" This was an obvious swipe at George Bush who was accused by the Dan Rather's and the Michael Moore's' of being AWOL from the military/ Air National Guard during Vietnam.
Wow, that's quite a stretch to go from Kerry's statement to then accusing him of pandering to the crazies. Here's how I see it: Kerry went to war. Bush, on the other hand, chose (and was granted an unusually quick acceptance despite low scores) an option that would 1)allow him to avoid being drafted into the war and 2)fulfill his military duty in the States. Not that I blame him for seeking that option, mind you - but then I don't have any aspirations to be president.

Was Kerry's "I'm reporting for duty" a swipe at Bush? Sure, but I don't think he had to have believed the Rather report to make it.
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John Kerry took the stage at the 2004 Democratic convention with a salute and the phrase "Im John Kerry and I'M reporting for duty" This was an obvious swipe at George Bush who was accused by the Dan Rather's and the Michael Moore's' of being AWOL from the military/ Air National Guard during Vietnam. It was later dis-proven and Dan Rather even lost his job for airing a hack story. Michael Moore had a similar claim on his website which he supposedly offered $10k to anyone who could refute or disprove.

As a footnote, when i left active duty military i went into the National Guard for 15 months. Before my term ended in the guard i was offered a contracting job overseas with the government, so i requested and was granted an early discharge from the Guard. Thing is, they screwed up and kept me on their books, which meant they kept me on their manpower rosters and kept insurance on me, and i was funded on all of their drills and maneuvers. Even though i was out of the country and had the discharge in my hand. Years later i found out that i owed back taxes on the money which i failed to pay for my portion of the insurance, due to the fact that i did not draw any drill pay (because that part of me was separated from them).

Once i had paid them the money that i had supposedly owed to the state (not federal), i hired an attorney to investigate this on my behalf to try and make sure everything was legit. Come to find out, they had no record of me even having served in the guard unit, despite the Honorable Discharge i had and the LES (leave and earning statements) that they had sent me for the time i actually served. Surprised?
You and I clearly have different definitions of "catering to crazies".
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Well the left was hellbent on swiftboating gw the same way Kerry was but the difference was the swiftboating was morrow accurate than Dan rathers hit piece..so yes the left has crazies who would love to believe lies.

And Kerry took that bait making a dig at gw bush...cos he thought Dan rathers bogus hit piece was truth.


Re Romney..the right is afraid of transformational leadership..as fdr and churchill were right for their times..Romney is right for ours bvs..
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Romney looks like a rich guy who's worried that the taxes on his capital gains may go up and he's really worried about it.

and that's about it.
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and he will be the most gay-friendly GOP nominee ever

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"As you know, I don't discriminate," Romney said. "And in the appointments that I made -- when I was governor of Massachusetts, a member of my cabinet was gay. I appointed people to the bench, regardless of their sexual orientation. Made it very clear that, in my view, we should not discriminate in hiring policies, in legal policies.

"At the same time, from the very beginning, in 1994, I said to the gay community, 'I do not favor same-sex marriage,'" Romney added. "I oppose same-sex marriage. And that has been my, my view. But, if people are looking for someone who -- who will discriminate against gays or will in any way -- try and suggest that people, that, that have different sexual orientation don't have full rights in this country, they won't find that in me."
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Romney looks like a rich guy who's worried that the taxes on his capital gains may go up and he's really worried about it.

and that's about it.
But a couple of times at Bain he was worried about getting a pink slip
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