GOP Nominee 2012 - Who Will It Be?, Pt. 2

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"One of the motivations was killing black babies," he said, "because they didn't want to deal with the problems of illiteracy and poverty."
--Herman Cain
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Wondering where this comes from? Meet Margaret Sanger, founder of the American Birth Control League (Planned parenthood).

The following (A Plan for Peace, Margaret Sanger) was published in
Birth Control Review (April 1932, pp. 107-108):
From "A Plan for Peace"
by MARGARET SANGER

The main objects of the Population Congress would be:

a) to raise the level and increase the general intelligence of population.
b) to increase the population slowly by keeping the birth rate at its present level of fifteen per thousand,
decreasing the death rate below its present mark of 11 per thousand.
c) to keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be
detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic,
criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class barred by the immigration laws of 1924.
d) to apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose
progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.
e) to insure the country against future burdens of maintenance for numerous offspring as may be born of
feebleminded parents, by pensioning all persons with transmissible disease who voluntarily consent to sterilization.
f) to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.
g) to apportion farm lands and homesteads for these segregated persons where they would be taught to work
under competent instructors for the period of their entire lives.
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She was quite explicit about using abortion to reduce the minority population. And even today, 80 years later, the statistics on aborted black babies is shameful.
 
I'd actually love to see a black candidate from each party run. No one would be able to play the race card, and it would really solidify the progress we've made as a nation in terms of race.

The only problem is Herman Cain is a nut.
 
maycocksean said:
I'd actually love to see a black candidate from each party run. No one would be able to play the race card, and it would really solidify the progress we've made as a nation in terms of race.

The only problem is Herman Cain is a nut.
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get it right

Black Walnut.

"Unlike some of the other flavors of the week, I am Hagen-Dazs black walnut with substance," Cain said as he kicked off a national book tour here.
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Mittens is doing what he needs to do.

Camp Niggertron is done.

Cain is a fun, er what did I hear him referred to today? A "hula hoop" of a candidate. About right :up:
 
One should not dismiss Cain.

He does have a cpmplelling story.

Mr Cain was born in Tennessee and raised in Georgia by working-class parents , the son of a chauffeur and a cleaner, in an era when everything from buses to water fountains was still segregated in the South.

He graduated from the predominantly black Morehouse College in Atlanta with a mathematics degree in 1967 and then took a postgraduate computer science degree at Purdue University in Indiana, while working as a civilian ballistic weapon analyst for the Navy department.

After college, Mr Cain began his business career with the Coca-Cola company, working his way up through the managerial ranks, before being hired by the Pillsbury food empire. There he turned around the then ailing fortunes of America’s fourth largest pizza chain, Godfathers, which he took over in a managerial buy-out.

In recent years, he has been an economics adviser to Republican politicians while hosting a conservative talk radio show and delivering motivational speeches.

He has been married for 43 years, with two children and three grandchildren, and five years ago survived colon and liver cancer thanks to surgery and chemotherapy.

It is a compelling story that is told in his new memoir This Is Herman Cain which he was promoting on a whirlwind tour through New York last week, including a visit to the refined splendours of the Plaza hotel’s Palm Court restaurant where he gave guests a rendition of Amazing Grace.
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he will be a top tier finisher in the GOP primaries, at least top 3, probably top 2, and an outside shot to win it.
 
I'm rather proud of myself:

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so, at this hate group meeting (The Value Voter's Summit) over the weekend, this happened:

At this morning’s Values Voter Summit, the American Family Association’s (AFA) Bryan Fischer argued that the Republican nominee for president must embrace conservative Christianity, reject Islam, and treat gay people as intravenous drug users. “We need a president who will treat homosexuality not as a political cause at all, but as a threat to public health,” Fischer announced:

FISCHER: Homosexual behavior represents the same threat to human health that injection drug use does. I believe we need a president who understands that neither homosexual behavior nor injection drug use represent lifestyles that any responsible government ought to normalize, legitimize, legalize, protect, sanction, or subsidize.

Fischer condemns gay people - YouTube
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and to his credit, Mitt Romney said this:

Mitt Romney condemned the American Family Association’s chief spokesperson Bryan Fischer during his speech at the Values Voter summit this morning. “We should remember that decency and civility are values too,” Romney said, before adding, “one of the speakers who will follow me today has crossed that line I think”:

ROMNEY: Poisonous language doesn’t advance our cause. It has never softened a single heart or changed a single mind. The blessings of faith carry the responsibility of civil and respectful debate. The task before us is to focus on the conservative beliefs and the values that unite us. Let no agenda narrow our vision or drive us apart. We have important work to accomplish.

Watch it:

Romney on Bryan Fischer - YouTube

The People for the American Way has long chronicled Fischer’s hate speech against gays, Muslims and Mormons and challenged Romney’s decision to share the stage with him.

Update

Fischer fired back at Romney after the speech, telling ThinkProgress that it was “tasteless and tawdry” for Romney to attack him on stage. “I think he allowed the New York Times, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the People for the American Way…to dictate the content of his speech,” Fischer said. “Right there, people ought to be concerned about that.”

Watch it: FischerRomney.mp4 - YouTube
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good for Romney. and now time to watch the Christian-ist thugs start to beat up on the Mormon kid. it's all Perry has left.

i think Mormonism is bonkers. but i think Southern Baptism is equally as bonkers. i'd happily let them bonkers it out alone. but in a situation like this, i'm going to stand up for the Mormon kid against the thugs and the bullies because there's space for all of us, no matter how crazy, so long as we don't hurt other people.

and because this is *real* religious bigotry. what is not real religious bigotry is thinking, "wherever gays are treated normally, Christians are discriminated against." no. what is real religious bigotry is when you bash others for being different from you, and for calling others a cult, which they may well be, but then you better answer that phone, kettle, because the pot is calling you to let you know you're black.
 
and, behold, this is why they like Cain so much:

Herman Cain on foreign policy - YouTube

how can you argue with a man who's so honest? he's like, "hell no, i don't know who the fuck is the president of Uzbekistan, and why the fuck should i?"

he's ready for 2012. so instead of, "all of 'em, Katie." we're going to get, "none of 'em, Chris."
 
no big* surprise here

Christie To Endorse Romney Ahead Of GOP Debate | Fox News

as I was driving to the office I tuned into Limbaugh, he was going on how the Republican establishment are all for Romney, and that they want it to be over soon.

Then he follow up with that in October 2007 Gallup had McCain in 3rd and said that he was done.

He then took a caller that pleaded with him to vet all the true conservative candidates, and for him to pick the best one, and then he could push that person,
the caller then went on to say that Bachmann was out of the picture.

Limbach asked her if there was still time left,
it seems like more and more, that Romney will be the candidate that is settled for.
 
I agree with both of them. That was disgusting and I hate that crap-no place for it whatsoever.



New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie on Tuesday blasted Rick Perry for his refusal to distance himself from the pastor who questioned Mitt Romney’s Christian credentials.

“Any campaign that associates itself with that type of conduct is beneath the office of president of the United States,” Christie said as reporters questioned him following his endorsement of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

Romney, appearing with Christie for the endorsement announcement, also attacked the Texas governor over the remarks of Pastor Robert Jeffress. The Baptist pastor introduced Perry at the weekend’s Voters Value Summit by saying that Romney, as a Mormon, is not Christian and is “part of a cult.”

“Gov. Perry selected an individual to introduce him who then used religion as a basis for which he would endorse Gov. Perry and a reason to not support me. Gov. Perry then said that introduction just hit it out of the park,” Romney said.

“I just don’t believe that that kind of divisiveness based upon religion has a place in this country,” Romney said
 
Started at 8ET and just ended. It was on BloombergTV, Bloomberg.com or Wapo.com

No major headlines. Romney won as usual, Gingrich was impressive, Perry was same as always. No flubs or sharp attacks from anyone.
 
I have it on my dvr from Bloomberg, good for BET, broadcasting it.
Will try and watch it later.

I can't believe many people watched it, I guess the spinners will decide how this plays in the polls. Sounds like one more step towards a Romney nomination.
 
Romney is quickly convincing me. Perry was boring.

My favorite line was actually by Sen Santorum about the prosperity gap between the rich and poor. He correctly linked growing poverty with growing single heads of family.
"You can't have limited government. You can't have a wealthy society if the family breaks down."

The Peter G. Peterson Foundation ads with the children explaining the debt were outstanding.
 
INDY500 said:
He correctly linked growing poverty with growing single heads of family.
"You can't have limited government. You can't have a wealthy society if the family breaks down."
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i don't disagree. i don't think anyone disagrees.

the problem is that Rick seems to think this is my fault, and that tax cuts would help more than universal health care.
 
INDY500 said:
Romney is quickly convincing me. Perry was boring.

My favorite line was actually by Sen Santorum about the prosperity gap between the rich and poor. He correctly linked growing poverty with growing single heads of family.
"You can't have limited government. You can't have a wealthy society if the family breaks down."

The Peter G. Peterson Foundation ads with the children explaining the debt were outstanding.
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http://americanresearchgroup.com/

If Romney comes in a strong 2nd in SC, I'd say he has this thing sowed up.

The other early contests are all looking really good for him. The GOP primaries could end early.
 
INDY500 said:
Universal health care doesn't meet his, or my, definition of limited government.
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oh, i agree. it has to be done by government.

but you're cutting off your nose to spite your face. all you're doing is adhering to ideology when it runs counter to what you actually want, which is a wealthier, healthier society.

a single mom with two kids and no live-in father is going to have a vastly easier time taking care of her kids if she has health insurance rather than being one of the 50m who can't afford it, or has to work several jobs to afford it, or who lives in fear of going bankrupt because her kid has cancer.

so, really, being pro-limited government is actually being anti-family. families, especially poor ones, need help. and individual charity isn't nearly enough to address the problem. by all means, make government better, make it less wasteful, but don't tell me you actually care about families if you're against giving mothers and fathers their most basic needs.

just don't pretend you're pro-family when you're really for lower taxes on rich people, which the right likes to call "limited government."
 
So did Rick Perry apologize?

Huffington Post

HANOVER, N.H. -- As the Occupy Wall Street protests have gathered steam and spread across the country, gaining popular support and an increase in media attention, Republican presidential candidates who were once hostile toward the movement have begun speaking more positively about it.

Herman Cain, who initially told Americans taking to the streets to protest income inequality and joblessness that they had no one to blame but themselves, later changed his tune, arguing that the protesters should instead blame the Obama administration for the high unemployment rate.

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, who at first called the protests “dangerous” and “class warfare," sounded a different note Monday at a campaign stop in New Hampshire. “I worry about the 99 percent in America," he said, before adding later in the day: "I understand how those people feel."

And on Tuesday, during a meeting at a retirement center here in Hanover, former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman expressed a measure of support for the movement as well.

"I have to say, much of what they are talking about, some of what they are talking about I think many Americans would be in some harmony with -- and that is trillions of trillions of dollars that have been spent, they have disappeared and we have seen nothing for it," Huntsman said. "We have seen no uplift in terms of economic performance. We have seen no improvement in the unemployment rate."

Speaking to The Huffington Post after his talk, Huntsman expanded on the sentiment.

"There is angst, and there is anger, and there is frustration, in large measure because of the trillions that was spent to little effect," he said. "There is a lot out there that people on all ends of politics are very angry and concerned about."

Huntsman's words hardly qualify as a full-throated endorsement of Occupy Wall Street, like the one made by Republican presidential candidate and former Louisiana Governor Buddy Roemer, who traveled from New Hampshire to New York on Tuesday to speak with the protesters gathered in lower Manhattan. But they reflect one of the most basic truths of a political campaign -- that it is better to align oneself with an increasingly popular movement than to malign it.
 
heh. pretty accurate, imho.

One thing I've noticed about Perry is that he seems to be able to speak plausibly about Texas, and he turned national questions into Texas questions whenever possible. On one occasion, he seemed to dismiss "policy" as an important part of having an economic plan. The likely explanation for Perry's travails is that he simply never paid much attention to national politics before.

Mitt Romney hewed to his constant strategy of turning every question into an over-the-top attack on President Obama, while limiting his exposure to unpopular policy proposals. Romney's theory is that Republican primary voters are angry but uninformed and thus that the extreme conservatism they have displayed since 2009 reflects primal rage rather than any coherent worldview. He believes he can mollify them by satisfying their emotional animus toward Obama, while continuing to advocate policies that, in many cases, are identical to the president's.

Once again, Romney defended his Massachusetts health care plan by citing its reliance on private insurance, and the way it was designed to cover the uninsured without changing health care for the already-insured. This is exactly what Obama did, too. But, of course, by describing his plan in reasonable terms, Romney realizes that Republicans will conclude it must be different from the hated Obamacare, which is based on socialism and death panels. Romney's contempt for his electorate continues to endear me to him.

From an intellectual standpoint, the debate offered a few brief moments of inadvertent clarity. Newt Gingrich filleted Romney's proposal to eliminate capital gains taxes for people earning under $250,000 a year by noting that those people, by and large, don't have capital gains. Rick Santorum pointed out that social mobility is higher in Europe than in the United States. He presented this as an indictment of Obama, but of course it undercuts the conservative claim that "socialism" destroys social mobility.

Perry Survives the Craziness of the Seventh GOP Debate -- Daily Intel
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Romney's theory is that Republican primary voters are angry but uninformed and thus that the extreme conservatism they have displayed since 2009 reflects primal rage rather than any coherent worldview. He believes he can mollify them by satisfying their emotional animus toward Obama, while continuing to advocate policies that, in many cases, are identical to the president's.
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Shhhhh, don't ruin it for them :sexywink:
 
Irvine511 said:
oh, i agree. it has to be done by government.

but you're cutting off your nose to spite your face. all you're doing is adhering to ideology when it runs counter to what you actually want, which is a wealthier, healthier society.

a single mom with two kids and no live-in father is going to have a vastly easier time taking care of her kids if she has health insurance rather than being one of the 50m who can't afford it, or has to work several jobs to afford it, or who lives in fear of going bankrupt because her kid has cancer.

so, really, being pro-limited government is actually being anti-family. families, especially poor ones, need help. and individual charity isn't nearly enough to address the problem. by all means, make government better, make it less wasteful, but don't tell me you actually care about families if you're against giving mothers and fathers their most basic needs.

just don't pretend you're pro-family when you're really for lower taxes on rich people, which the right likes to call "limited government."
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Again, what conservatives point to is that when the family breaks down a paternalistic government must step in to provide, not only health care, but food, housing, daycare, and welfare. And of course we already have a provided retirement and the Occupy crowd now demands a free college education as well.

A paternalistic government is not a limited government.

No one proposes abandoning the poor but can we please stop government policies and programs that exacerbate the problem?
 
INDY500 said:
Again, what conservatives point to is that when the family breaks down a paternalistic government must step in to provide, not only health care, but food, housing, daycare, and welfare. And of course we already have a provided retirement and the Occupy crowd now demands a free college education as well.

A paternalistic government is not a limited government.

No one proposes abandoning the poor but can we please stop government policies and programs that exacerbate the problem?
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I would love to have less family breakdowns.

What's that, you want abstinence-only sex ed? Oh well, guess we'll be having more single moms after all.

Oh, and maybe we could nip a few of those single-parent situations in the bud with a morning after pill or first-term abortion care? No?

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Guess you get your single-parent and broken homes :shrug:

Strong morals and strong fathers are definitely lacking, but that doesn't mean turning your back on everything else, does it?
 
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