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Old 11-12-2011, 06:39 PM   #481
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Foreign policy debate tonight on CBS, should be interesting. Hopefully Cain's many stumbles in this area (which there almost certainly will be) will take him out the of the race for good. I swear, if he brings up 9-9-9 one more time...

I expect it to be a Romney & Gingrich show. A poll a few days ago asked which candidate they trusted most on foreign policy and the military. Romney got 26% with Newt at 21%. Should be a good battle.
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The Gingrich Surge Has Come - NYTimes.com

Follow the link to see the poll graphs.

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Mr. Romney’s polls seem to be bending down a bit. Over the past week or two, we’ve seen a larger number of polls, both at the state and national level, that show him below rather than above 20 percent; the trend line from our graph, in fact, now has him at only about 18 percent overall. Considering that other Republicans have had their problems during this time period, I would call this trend at least mildly worrying for Mr. Romney’s campaign. I certainly consider Mr. Romney the clear favorite to win the Republican nomination, but these numbers do not exactly suggest that there is anything inevitable about it.
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If Mr. Romney and Mr. Cain are on a somewhat downward trajectory, you’d expect to see another candidate gaining ground. And that candidate is, indeed, Newt Gingrich. He’s polling in the mid- to high teens in most recent surveys, with occasional forays into the 20s. Also, for whatever reason, his state-by-state polls have generally been better than his national polls, so if anything the national surveys may somewhat understate his momentum. This method now shows him at about 18 or 19 percent of the vote, meaning that he’s roughly tied with Mitt Romney.
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But the biggest piece of news here is Mr. Gingrich and his rise in the polls: he, Mr. Romney and Mr. Cain may now be in a rough three-way tie for the Republican polling lead. Polls certainly aren’t everything in a presidential primary, and for reasons I outlined earlier this week, Mr. Gingrich might have trouble maintaining his momentum as his campaign begins to receive more scrutiny. Still, it looks as if he’s going to enjoy his moment in the sun.
While I am trying to play Nostradamus...or even Hans and Frans, I should also include this link which was from that same blog post.

Gingrich Rises in Polls But Has Major Obstacles to Nomination - NYTimes.com
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the tea party is now flipping from Cain to Newt.

I'm not too good with math, but this shit is crazy. Here are their hopefuls for the "It takes a Carter to get a Reagan" 2012 contest, in order of 15 minutes of desperation:

Palin, Trump, Bachmann, Perry, Christie, Palin (again), Cain, Newt

Everyone of the above listed has some serious issues or baggage, or isn't running.

Palin - former half term gov of Alaska, couldn't finish her term, dumb as shit
Trump - horrible comb-over, not running
Bachmann - married to a crazy closet case
Perry - makes Palin look smart
Christie - not running, he's bigger than the goodyear blimp, could explode at any moment!
Cain - 9-9-9, sex-sex-sex, princess Nancy
Newt - smart guy but more baggage in his personal life than a 737

Sooner or later the batshit teabaggers are going to have to realize that Mitt Romney, despite his flip flopping, is their best bet to beat Obama. The rest of the field is either batshit crazy (which is fine with the TP) or too stupid to know their hole from an ass in the ground.

It will be funny to see them rally around a guy who's not the traditional Christain Conservative type, since religion is such a big thing with them. But hey, its better than a commie muslim jew-hating terrorist sympathizing marxist socialist radical left wing extremist, right? Poor Jesus.
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talk about a party of no ideas. Gingrich, the man who was Speaker of the House more than a decade ago and turned into Clinton's whipping boy, is now the great conservative hope for the 2010's?





well, hey, i guess we'll see.
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the tea party is now flipping from Cain to Newt.

I'm not too good with math, but this shit is crazy. Here are their hopefuls for the "It takes a Carter to get a Reagan" 2012 contest, in order of 15 minutes of desperation:

Palin, Trump, Bachmann, Perry, Christie, Palin (again), Cain, Newt

Everyone of the above listed has some serious issues or baggage, or isn't running.

Palin - former half term gov of Alaska, couldn't finish her term, dumb as shit
Trump - horrible comb-over, not running
Bachmann - married to a crazy closet case
Perry - makes Palin look smart
Christie - not running, he's bigger than the goodyear blimp, could explode at any moment!
Cain - 9-9-9, sex-sex-sex, princess Nancy
Newt - smart guy but more baggage in his personal life than a 737

Sooner or later the batshit teabaggers are going to have to realize that Mitt Romney, despite his flip flopping, is their best bet to beat Obama. The rest of the field is either batshit crazy (which is fine with the TP) or too stupid to know their hole from an ass in the ground.

It will be funny to see them rally around a guy who's not the traditional Christain Conservative type, since religion is such a big thing with them.

But hey, its better than a commie muslim jew-hating terrorist sympathizing marxist socialist radical left wing extremist, right? Poor Jesus.
If Frank Rich and Jon Stewart raised a child and that child graduated from UC Davis with a Poly Sci degree, did an internship with Congresswoman Maxine Waters and then went on to host a show on MSNBC...

...that's the sort of political analysis I'd expect to hear.

Keep it up and I'm pullin' for the Pokes on Dec 3rd.
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No, he pretty much accurately summed up the GOP race. I know plenty of Republicans who are fucking embarrassed by this field.
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If you aren't embarrassed, then you might be missing something.
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Keep it up and I'm pullin' for the Pokes on Dec 3rd.
Go fug yourself.

Speak ill of the Sooners and you completely lose me.

Did I just tip my hand?
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for anybody that's needs more information why Romney will most likely be the nominee, here is a good article with supporting poll

CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

and here is a link to a pdf doc of the poll

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/im.../14/rel18b.pdf

Romney will give Obama a good race, he has a decent shot to win, too.
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Romney will give Obama a good race, he has a decent shot to win, too.
Not if he keeps opening his mouth with soundbites like this:

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Mitt Romney suggested on Friday that he was open to introducing “private sector competition” into the health care system U.S. military veterans receive.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...h-care-system/
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doesn't matter

will be forgotten by general election, we all know he will have proper sound bites then, and plenty of money to flood the airwaves, internets, and mail boxes, church and synagog parking lots.
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Check out this video of Cain. The first two minutes are killer.

Brutal: Cain blanks on Libya, supports collective bargaining for public employee unions � Hot Air

The writer of the accompanying article (which is on a very conservative website) makes a great point about what the Cain campaign has become:

His candidacy’s now basically an experiment to see if there’s anything he could say about policy that grassroots conservatives wouldn’t ignore/forgive in the name of nominating a candidate who’s “authentic” instead of some slick RINO Beltway insider phony. Is there anything? Or can any screw-up be dismissed so long as it’s “clarified” a few hours later, knowing full well that undecideds won’t be as forgiving if he pulls something like this in a debate against Obama? How steep is the authenticity grading curve here, exactly?


The article also details ignorance/waffling on Governor Walker's union efforts.

ETA: Whoops- posted this in the Obama thread and not the GOP thread...
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Was just about to post this and saw that you did. It's unbelievable and embarrassing as an American that a guy like this is/was the front runner for the GOP. It says a lot about the intelligence of voters. It makes me wish that voting should be a privilege, not a right.
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His candidacy’s now basically an experiment to see if there’s anything he could say about policy that grassroots conservatives wouldn’t ignore/forgive in the name of nominating a candidate who’s “authentic”
How long have we been asking this question here in FYM?

Probably ever since I've been here.
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for anybody that's needs more information why Romney will most likely be the nominee, here is a good article with supporting poll

CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

and here is a link to a pdf doc of the poll

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/im.../14/rel18b.pdf

Romney will give Obama a good race, he has a decent shot to win, too.
Romney is the best and only shot to win. I don't see Newt appealing to women voters enought to overcome his personal bullshit.
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As basic knowledge goes, it's really come to this:

GWB > Palin > Perry > Cain.

Keeping in mind that GWB was the most proudly ignorant president ... Ever? What does such a blatant anti-knowledge, ignorance-as-a-virtue say about the party and it's core supporters?

Relieved to see that it was a conservative poster who's been calling Cain out on this.
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On Fox News’ Hannity program last night, Texas Gov. Rick Perry explained his newest attack ad against President Obama, which falsely accuses the President of saying that “Americans are lazy.”

Perry told host Sean Hannity that he thought the President’s remark “reveals to me that he grew up in a privileged way,” and that “he never had to really work for anything.”

As I reported yesterday, Perry released a new ad entitled “Lazy,” which seeks to make hay out of a comment the President made about American efforts to promote US commerce globally, but which Perry morphs into an attack on average Americans. Speaking at the APEC summit in Hawaii this past weekend, the President said, “there are a lot of things that make foreign investors see the U.S. as a great opportunity — our stability, our openness, our innovative free market culture.”

“But we’ve been a little bit lazy, I think, over the last couple of decades,” he continued. “We’ve kind of taken for granted — well, people will want to come here and we aren’t out there hungry, selling America and trying to attract new business into America.”

In his ad, Perry clipped the “lazy” remark out of context, and said, “”Can you believe that? That’s what our President thinks is wrong with America? That Americans are lazy?”

Now, it seems that Perry is trying to say that President Obama is the lazy one.

Hannity asked Perry, “What does it (the President’s remark) reveal to you about his mind set and thinking?”

“It reveals to me that he grew up in a privileged way,” Perry said. “He never had to really work for anything. He never had to go through what Americans are going through. There’s 14-plus million americans sitting out there, some of them watching this program tonight, that don’t have a job. This president has never felt that angst.”

There are a lot of ways to describe Barack Obama’s upbringing, but “privileged” certainly isn’t one of them. The son of a single mother who, at times, depended on food stamps for subsistence, Obama can barely claim birth to a plastic spoon existence, let alone a silver one. While people like Perry might not respect Obama’s work as a community organizer, it hardly puts a Monopoly Guy monocle on him.

Given his slide in the polls and disastrous performance against his Republican rivals during the debates thus far, it’s no wonder that Perry would rather pick fights with people he’s not running against yet. If he wants to beat up on President Obama, though, he needs something better than this.
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Wow! This is bad!
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The unfortunate thing about that is that there's actually a good point in what he was saying, or at least trying to say. It's a ridiculous expectation to think a president should know the name of the leader of every country offhand, or even close to it. The fact is that most presidents simply don't need to know hardly anything important about a lot of countries unless a scenario arises where they need to. I think most Americans would agree with him on that.

However, his "Uz-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan," his cluelessness on Libya and the fact that every foreign policy response comes back to 9-9-9 makes him look awful.
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However, his "Uz-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan," his cluelessness on Libya and the fact that every foreign policy response comes back to 9-9-9 makes him look awful.
I was just laughing because he's supposed to be ready for the "gotcha" questions and two seconds after that he wasn't. It's an "unconventional campaign" but that excuse won't work anymore. Romney is looking better. Also the comment on "insignificant countries" was cringe inducing.
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