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Old 11-03-2011, 09:39 PM   #381
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On many things, no.
Regardless of whether you disagree or not, you don't think Obama is intelligent and knowledgeable about the issues? Hell, I disagree vehemently with Karl Rove on pretty much everything politically, but there's absolutely no doubt that he's extremely intelligent and well-versed on the issues.

I'm having a hard time understanding how one could come to the conclusion that Obama is dim-witted and/or uninformed on the issues. Care to explain?
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John McCain has no chance in 2008 and if Romney got the nomination he would have lost too. The country had severe Bush/.Cheney fatigue. Wall Street was in a free fall, due to the Bush Admin policies and the Iraq War was perceived as completely unnecessary and extremely costly by most Americans.

In 2008 Romney would have recieved less votes than McCain/ Palin.
That was the best ticket the GOP could have put up.

The playing field was not even. The Dems had a 2 touchdown advantage and managed to win by one touchdown.
I understand the politics of it. It was a Democratic year if there ever was one, and they did a good job of portraying McCain as an extension of Bush. Obama was appealing on a personal and emotional level. McCain wasn't at all. I get all that. But considering the problems America was facing, I can't wrap my head around his election.
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I understand the politics of it. It was a Democratic year if there ever was one, and they did a good job of portraying McCain as an extension of Bush. Obama was appealing on a personal and emotional level. McCain wasn't at all. I get all that. But considering the problems America was facing, I can't wrap my head around his election.
Considering the problems America was facing, maybe the American people didn't want a President who would choose (with little to no vetting done) a second-in-command as clearly unprepared and uninformed about the issues as Sarah Palin, and then appeared to not know how to handle his #2 for the remainder of the campaign?
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I'm having a hard time understanding how one could come to the conclusion that Obama is dim-witted and/or uninformed on the issues. Care to explain?
I just haven't seen much evidence to the contrary.

I think everything he knows about creating jobs and how to get the economy moving is wrong. His foreign policy moves (authorizing the OBL strike, continuing the drone attacks, keeping Gitmo) are admirable and worth some points, but I'd be very worried if he DIDN'T do those things. I think Holder and Geithner and Chu are embarrassments. You hardly ever hear him speak off the cuff, and I've never thought he was that impressive of a debater, either with the Democrats or against McCain. He's well-educated, of course- I just think he's in over his head.

And getting back on topic, I think Cain is, too. And Sarah Palin. And a few others. It's time to look for something better.
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I think everything he knows about creating jobs and how to get the economy moving is wrong.


what would you have done differently?
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I saw Condi Rice on a tv interview recently, and she reminded me how smart and reasonable acting someone from the GOP could be. Obviously that's treasonous behaviour by tea party standards. Clearly she is smart enough to not get involved in the current political circus.
If anyone cares to listen to an intelligent, honest conservative, Ramesh Ponnuru gave a speech and was interviewed recently at the U of Minnesota's Humphrey School of Public Affairs. He is a senior editor for the National Review and a Bloomberg News View commentator.

What's the future of conservatism? | Minnesota Public Radio News

It's not scintillating radio, but it is interesting to hear criticism of the current crop of conservatives from a conservative.
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He's a uniter, not a divider.
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Cain campaign considers lawsuit – CNN

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Why does he hate freedom of speech?
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I understand the politics of it. It was a Democratic year if there ever was one, and they did a good job of portraying McCain as an extension of Bush. Obama was appealing on a personal and emotional level. McCain wasn't at all. I get all that. But considering the problems America was facing, I can't wrap my head around his election.
You understand that McCain was seen as an extension of Bush and still can't understand how Obama was elected?

The 'middle 20%', that decide Presidential elections, pretty much universally thought and still think that the Bush administration was nothing short of an outright disaster. The worst President of our lifetimes and maybe the worst President ever. Although history will save Bush from the latter, there's little question that he's in the running for the former. Especially for those young enough to not remember much of Jimmy Carter. I was 5 years old in Carter's last year in office (1980), so I don't pretend to compare my understanding of Carter to that of everyone that followed. But if we're talking Reagan, HWBush, Clinton, W Bush and Obama, W is the worst, without question.

I say this as someone who supported McCain in the 2000 primary and Hilary Clinton in 2008. I am certainly nothing near a 'Left-wing' apologist but something are more evident than others. Such as the disaster of G W Bush.

But something that very few people around here will admit, I will freely admit. Obama was basically given a free pass by the mass media. Many of them even cheerleading him onto victory. Naivety, I'm afraid, gave us both W Bush and Obama. That said, Obama has made some missteps but any President, Clinton, McCain or otherwise, would be saddled by this terrible economy. The biggest mistake Obama made was choosing healthcare as his first priority and the stimulus plan, rather than trying to convince job-creators to bring jobs back to America. He should have cut the corporate tax rate in his first 90 days.

My criticisms of Obama are a mile long but I also think he's done some good things. And as it appears, there isn't any real alternative to Obama. The most unprincipled man (Romney) to run for President in my lifetime*? No thanks. I'd rather have Obama again, gladly.

*-not considering assholes such as John Edwards, or the morality bullshit, but people with actual ability to become President on their own and are otherwise 'Presidential'. I hope that makes sense. I'm not saying Romney is akin to Edwards, I'm just saying he has no principles, to a drastic extent. And that is something that is very important to me. I can disagree on many issues, fair enough, that is to be expected but I just can't stomach that sort of thing.

Politics is politics and they all do that sort of thing, both sides, but Romney is a new breed of cat when it comes to speaking out of all sides of his mouth. Anyway, we had that conversation in another thread a few weeks back. As I said, I don't think Romney is winning the nomination anyway. And I might be the only one, but we shall see.
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C-SPAN will air the Saturday evening debate between Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain at 8:00 PM.

The Lincoln-Douglas type debate will run 90 minutes and allow more time for substantive answers than any, thus far.
Gingrich-Obama debate. No teleprompters allowed.
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Considering the problems America was facing, maybe the American people didn't want a President who would choose (with little to no vetting done) a second-in-command as clearly unprepared and uninformed about the issues as Sarah Palin, and then appeared to not know how to handle his #2 for the remainder of the campaign?
Instead, the American people picked a former community organizer with alleged ties to known terrorists, who might just have the shortest resume of any previous white house occupant ever
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what would you have done differently?
Any number of things. From repealing the job-killing legislation and regulations to opening up energy production to cutting spending and tax reform to consulting people in the business world who have created jobs instead of academics and economists.

The Republicans have passed over a dozen job-centered bills in the past few months. Obama and the Senate could take a look at those, for starters.
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repealing the job-killing legislation and regulations.
Republicans are nothing if not on party-approved message.

What specifically are these so-called job-killing legislation and regulations?
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The Republicans have passed over a dozen job-centered bills in the past few months. Obama and the Senate could take a look at those, for starters.
Are you serious? Have you seen these bills?
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Republicans are nothing if not on party-approved message.

What specifically are these so-called job-killing legislation and regulations?
Go into the filing cabinet and look behind the death panels.
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I'm guessing 2816 thinks it's good policy for the state of PA to not assess any taxes to the natural gas industry.
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