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Old 10-24-2011, 05:36 PM   #321
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Televangelist and mogul Pat Robertson — a man whose name is practically synonymous with the Religious Right — likely took 700 Club viewers by surprise today when he opined that the Republican base is losing support by “pushing” what he described as “an extreme position.”

Robertson expressed worry that Republican front runners are going to alienate voters during the general election by catering to a narrow base:

I believe it was Lyndon Johnson that said, “I doubt these people realize if they push me over to an extreme position that I’ll lose the election. And I’m the one who will be supporting what they want, but they’re going to make it so I can’t win.”

Those people in the Republican primary have got to lay off of this stuff. They’re forcing their leaders, the front runners, into positions that will mean they lose the general election. Now whether this did it to Cain, I don’t know, but nevertheless, you know, you appeal to the narrow base and they’ll applaud the daylights out of what you’re saying, and then you hit the general election and they say “no way” and then the Democrat, whoever it is, is going to just play these statements to the hilt. They’ve got to stop this! It’s just so counterproductive!

Well. If they want to lose, this is the game for losers.

As Right Wing Watch notes, Robertson’s statement came on the heels of a discussion about recent poll favorite Herman Cain‘s shifting views on how the government should approach the issue of abortion.
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You know you're extreme right when Pat is calling you extreme... in fact you're just batshit insane.
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I thought Ron Paul was very good on Meet The Press.
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Ron Paul is the Dennis Kucinich of the GOP.
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Perry proposes 20 percent flat tax - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
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Rick Perry unveiled a sweeping economic agenda Monday highlighted by a plan to level a voluntary 20 percent "flat tax" on all taxpayers who will accept it in place of what they're paying now.
But he's not heartless:
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Perry offers several proposals that appear designed to sweeten the offer - and to counter criticism that the flat tax is regressive, taking a proportionally bigger bite from smaller incomes. His plan would preserve popular deductions for mortgage interest and donations to charity for households earning less than $500,000 a year. It would increase the standard deduction to $12,500.
Just brainless. How do you replace the lost revenue for those that get a better deal with the 20 percent?

Oh...Cut, Balance, Grow = Economy Solved
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Calling his agenda "Cut, Balance and Grow" - a clear nod to congressional Republicans, who have proposed a "Cut, Cap and Balance" budget bill - Perry says his proposal is the best way to cure the nation's ailing economy.

"Cut, Balance and Grow strikes a major blow against the Washington-knows-best mindset," Perry said. "It takes money from spendthrift bureaucrats and returns it to families. It puts fewer job-killing regulations on employers and more restrictions on politicians. It gives more freedom to Americans to control their own destiny. And just as importantly, the Cut, Balance and Grow plan paves the way for the job creation, balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility we need to get America working again."
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Herman Cain’s bafflingly weird “smoking” ad - Salon.com


Sometime last night, Herman Cain’s latest campaign video exploded onto the web, and immediately the debate began: What the hell was that?

Entitled “Now is the time for action!” the 56-second spot, which doesn’t seem designed to air as a paid television ad, features Mark Block, who is Cain’s campaign manager, offering a series of broad platitudes about how “Herman will put ‘united’ back in ‘United States of America’” and how “together we can take our country back.”

The decision to use Block, who seems slightly uncomfortable in front of the camera and whose name and face are unrecognizable to virtually every Republican primary voter, is curious, but what makes the video so bizarre is what happens when he finishes speaking: With an aggressive soundtrack rising in the background, Block raises a cigarette to his mouth, takes a drag, and puffs out a cloud of smoke.

The intent of the smoking shot is unclear, but it could represent Cain’s defiant response to recent media scrutiny of his three-year run in the late 1990s as the head of the National Restaurant Association, during which time he aligned the lobbying group with the tobacco industry. As the New York Times reported in a profile of Cain that ran over the weekend:

Under Mr. Cain’s leadership, the restaurant association opposed higher taxes on cigarettes and the use of federal money to prosecute cigarette makers for fraud — positions that Matt Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids said had little to do with the restaurant business.

And Mr. Cain argued vociferously that the decision about whether to go smoke-free was the province of individual restaurant owners, not the government. “The restaurant industry literally became the alter ego of the tobacco industry during that period of time,” Mr. Myers said in an interview.

The restaurant association relied heavily on R. J. Reynolds for financial support, records show. Mr. Meyne, the Reynolds senior director of public affairs, served on the restaurant group’s board, and Mr. Cain served on the board of Nabisco, which had earlier merged with Reynolds.

There will be those who claim the video represents savvy political marketing. After all, it was an instant viral sensation, with reporters, pundits and political professionals furiously passing it around on Twitter, and it will surely be replayed and dissected by all of the cable news channels today. Certainly, this is how Cain’s campaign is trying to spin it, telling NBC News last night that they’re pleased with the attention it’s receiving.
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If you think that one's weird...

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wait, - 20%

nope, I'm sticking with Cain, I think 9% is better.
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wait, - 20%

nope, I'm sticking with Cain, I think 9% is better.
If Bachmann comes up with an 8.5% plan, she may have my vote.


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I think I agree with Jon

Jon Stewart Pat Robertson Republicans | Daily Show Video | Mediaite

The Republican Party’s rhetoric in the past year, particularly from candidates for president, has finally gotten to the extreme right– or at least to Pat Robertson, who surprisingly exclaimed this weekend that the candidates had to “stop this!” if they expected to win. After a quick recap of what “this” meant, precisely, and what extreme things Robertson deemed appropriate to say in public despite his calls for civility, Jon Stewart concluded tonight that the issue wasn’t what they believed, but letting the general public know about it.

Stewart began his segment with the latest is eyebrow-raising comments from Republican contenders, with Rick Perry dabbling in birtherism because “it’s fun” and Herman Cain‘s electric fence immigration joke– and those were just this week’s comments. Stewart noted that all the candidates were “saying crazy things” with a helpful montage, and found it amazing that Robertson, of all people, “Pat ‘Liberals Are Akin To Nazis’ Robertson believes Republicans are a bit extreme.” “It would be like Facebook saying to you, ‘TMI,’” Stewart joked.

Just as a reminder, Stewart then played several clips of Robertson’s “greatest hits”– claiming the Haitian earthquake was a result of a pact with the devil, blaming gay people for basically all the sin in the world, calling for the death of foreign leaders, the works. Which begs the question: “why is Pat Robertson, AKA ‘That Crazy Fucking Guy,’ telling Republican presidential candidates to moderate their rhetoric?” Stewart concluded it was merely a product of wanting to win elections. “You’re right,” Stewart argued Robertson was saying, “but keep that our little secret… If you tell people what we honestly believe, an electoral majority of those people will freak the fuck out.”
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"I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that. I don’t know how much our contribution is to that, because I know that there have been periods of greater heat and warmth in the past but I believe we contribute to that. And so I think it’s important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may well be significant contributors to the climate change and the global warming that you’re seeing," - Mitt Romney, June 3, 2011.
Well hey, that's a pretty reasonable position to take there, Mr. Romney.

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Oh.

So I guess that means he was for it before he was against it, then?
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He's like a cross between John Kerry and Gordon Gekko.
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one way of looking at it.

do you want somebody, say Perry, that has always and most likely will always have the wrong idea and conclusions

or do you want a person that has a flexible mind, and is capable of reaching correct conclusions?

in the 90's conservatives and liberals went nuts about Bill Clinton because of his 'flexible' thinking,

but, I and most people think it was better for all of us.
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I'm saying as far as his electibility. There's no question I'd prefer Romney, who seems relatively intelligent, over Perry, who is both an idiot and a jackass.
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Unfortunately Romney comes attached to a party determined to continue pitting the middle class against the poor, at the benefit of the private sector that sends jobs overseas anyway.
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remember the whole reality show thing?

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Herman Cain claims 'witch hunt,' sings gospel song [Video]

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October 31, 2011, 12:37 p.m.
Speaking at the National Press Club in Washington on Monday, Herman Cain continued to defend himself against claims that he sexually harassed two employees while leading a trade association in the 1990s, telling the audience that he's the victim of a "witch hunt."

As he had earlier in the day on Fox News Channel, Cain admitted that he had been accused of harassment while he was the president and chief executive of the National Restaurant Assn.

Cain insisted to the lunchtime crowd that the claims were false and said he did not know whether they were settled or how much it cost to settle them.

While Cain's speech to the Washington institution had been previously scheduled, the harassment story, first reported Sunday evening by Politico, ensured that it was swarming with reporters and cameras.

As Cain spoke, NBC News reported that it had confirmed that one woman who worked at the association received a settlement after complaining about Cain's conduct.

“I would be delighted to clear the air,” he told questioner Mark Hamrick in a question and answer session that followed his standard stump speech. “In all my over 40 years of business experience. . . of running businesses and corporations, I have never sexually harassed anyone.”

But, he added, when he was accused of sexual harassment – “falsely accused, I might add….as leader of the organization, I recused myself and allowed my general counsel and human resources officer to deal with the situation.”

Following “a thorough investigation,” he said, those staffers reached the conclusion that the charges “had no basis.”

Politico reported Sunday that two women received settlements in the five figures.

“I am unaware of any settlement," Cain said Monday. "I hope it wasn’t for much because I didn’t do anything.”

Some say it strains credulity that Cain, as leader of the restaurant trade group, would not be aware of money paid to women claiming he’d harassed them; neither alleged victim has allowed herself to be identified, according to Politico.

Politico reported that the settlement agreements prohibited them from speaking publicly about their departures from the association.

The revelations about Cain’s personal conduct come at a time when Cain is riding high in the polls and is trying to persuade Republican voters that he is more than a “flavor of the week” candidate.

Following a forum on economic policy earlier Monday at the American Enterprise Institute, Cain was asked whether the GOP, which has had a series of presidential favorites this year who rise then fade, will “fall out of love with you any time soon.”

Cain replied that his support comes from “the people, not the party. The people have propelled my candidacy. The momentum is coming from the grassroots.”

He added “That’s why this flavor of the week is now the flavor of the month and it still tastes good.”

Later, Cain gave reporters at the National Press Club a taste of how he charms crowds on the campaign trail. When Hamrick asked if he would consider ending with a song, Cain complied, singing a verse of a favorite gospel song “He Looked Beyond My Faults.”

Herman Cain claims 'witch hunt,' sings gospel song [Video] - latimes.com


remember, this is the Republican front runner. again: front runner.

it's like GOP Apprentice.
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The only fight is for undecided voters, and Eventual Candidate Elect Rommney will do an okay job at wooing some of them.

Democratic voters will always vote Democrat, even if their candidate is a wet shoe.

Republican voters will always vote Republican, even if their candidate is a box of rocks.
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so, Mitt's got this thing, right?

i mean, honestly, he's the only candidate who hasn't completely embarrassed himself, especially after Perry's drunk-in-New-Hampshire speech last Friday.

but, anyway, i say good. it's obvious that Cain and Perry (and Bachman and the rest ... excepting Huntsman) are utterly unprepared to be president in ways that rival even Sarah Palin (at least she was governor of a state for a little while and, arguably, could out-debate Perry). i'm glad that they won't be anywhere near the nuclear codes.
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If you want to keep Obama in, you should probably hope Cain remains the front runner until the election. I wonder who his Abel will be.
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