GOP Nominee 2012 - Who Will It Be?, Pt. 2
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I think my penis receded into my body a bit there during that clip. Talk about an anti-hardon.
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^thanks for sharing 
That's Fox News porn. Greta thought it was hot 
He'll die on that hill. Whoa, I'm impressed
Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum recently pledged to "die on that hill" fighting against same-sex marriage, and made a similar vow to repeal all federal funding for contraception because it is "a license to do things in a sexual realm."
Santorum, a former senator from Pennsylvania, made the claims during an interview with CaffeinatedThoughts.com editor Shane Vander Hart, according to Think Progress. He declared that no other president had previously discussed "the dangers of contraception" and said that "sex is supposed to be within marriage" and "special."
He went on to describe "the battle" on same-sex marriage, claiming that allowing gay marriage would shake "the very foundation of our country, the family, what the family structure is going to look like."
"I'll die on that hill," Santorum said, pledging to fight for a federal ban on same-sex marriage.
A day after opponents assailed his controversial "999" tax plan during the latest GOP debate, Herman Cain was hardly backing down from his core convictions. And, as usual, the former pizza-chain CEO offered up plenty of entertainment to go along with his policy ideas.
At the Western Republican Leadership Conference on Wednesday, Cain continued to tout his "999" initiative, telling the audience that while his plan will throw out the current tax code, his opponents want to build on what's already in place. He responded to criticism that the plan would further marginalize poor people, telling the crowd, "We're not going to throw the people at the poverty level under the bus."
Cain said his opponents, including former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, were too focused on what kind of plan could pass Congress. He said he wasn't worried about Congress. That's the "difference between a politician and a problem-solver," Cain said.
During his speech, Cain also weighed in on other hot-button issues with some soundbite-ready remarks. On guns: "I like my guns and Bible. Ain't gonna give 'em up!" On China: "My strategy for China is three words: Outgrow China." On American intelligence: "Stupid people are ruining America. But the good news is we can outvote them." (He expressed an identical sentiment in February.)
Later Wednesday, Cain appeared on "Piers Morgan Tonight" for an hourlong interview that touched on everything from Cain's rivals to his frightening experience with stage 4 cancer.
When asked whom among the other GOP candidates he had the most respect for, Cain named Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney; when asked whom he respected the least, Cain responded, "I don't believe Rep. Ron Paul would be a good president because most of his ideas are eliminate -- end -- rather than fix."
Cain continued to take an unusual stand on abortion, telling Morgan that while he thinks life begins at conception, it's not the government's role, or anybody else’s role, to make that decision."
Morgan and Cain also had a spirited exchange about homosexuality in which Cain said, "I think it's a sin because of my biblical beliefs," and said he believed sexual orientation is a choice. Incredulous, Morgan asked, "You genuinely believe millions of Americans wake up in their late teens, normally, and go, 'You know what? I quite fancy being a homosexual?' You don't believe that, do you?"
"Piers," Cain responded, "you haven't given me any evidence to consider otherwise."
That's Fox News porn. Greta thought it was hot He'll die on that hill. Whoa, I'm impressed
Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum recently pledged to "die on that hill" fighting against same-sex marriage, and made a similar vow to repeal all federal funding for contraception because it is "a license to do things in a sexual realm."
Santorum, a former senator from Pennsylvania, made the claims during an interview with CaffeinatedThoughts.com editor Shane Vander Hart, according to Think Progress. He declared that no other president had previously discussed "the dangers of contraception" and said that "sex is supposed to be within marriage" and "special."
He went on to describe "the battle" on same-sex marriage, claiming that allowing gay marriage would shake "the very foundation of our country, the family, what the family structure is going to look like."
"I'll die on that hill," Santorum said, pledging to fight for a federal ban on same-sex marriage.
A day after opponents assailed his controversial "999" tax plan during the latest GOP debate, Herman Cain was hardly backing down from his core convictions. And, as usual, the former pizza-chain CEO offered up plenty of entertainment to go along with his policy ideas.
At the Western Republican Leadership Conference on Wednesday, Cain continued to tout his "999" initiative, telling the audience that while his plan will throw out the current tax code, his opponents want to build on what's already in place. He responded to criticism that the plan would further marginalize poor people, telling the crowd, "We're not going to throw the people at the poverty level under the bus."
Cain said his opponents, including former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, were too focused on what kind of plan could pass Congress. He said he wasn't worried about Congress. That's the "difference between a politician and a problem-solver," Cain said.
During his speech, Cain also weighed in on other hot-button issues with some soundbite-ready remarks. On guns: "I like my guns and Bible. Ain't gonna give 'em up!" On China: "My strategy for China is three words: Outgrow China." On American intelligence: "Stupid people are ruining America. But the good news is we can outvote them." (He expressed an identical sentiment in February.)
Later Wednesday, Cain appeared on "Piers Morgan Tonight" for an hourlong interview that touched on everything from Cain's rivals to his frightening experience with stage 4 cancer.
When asked whom among the other GOP candidates he had the most respect for, Cain named Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney; when asked whom he respected the least, Cain responded, "I don't believe Rep. Ron Paul would be a good president because most of his ideas are eliminate -- end -- rather than fix."
Cain continued to take an unusual stand on abortion, telling Morgan that while he thinks life begins at conception, it's not the government's role, or anybody else’s role, to make that decision."
Morgan and Cain also had a spirited exchange about homosexuality in which Cain said, "I think it's a sin because of my biblical beliefs," and said he believed sexual orientation is a choice. Incredulous, Morgan asked, "You genuinely believe millions of Americans wake up in their late teens, normally, and go, 'You know what? I quite fancy being a homosexual?' You don't believe that, do you?"
"Piers," Cain responded, "you haven't given me any evidence to consider otherwise."
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What is wrong with my state?
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"They all seem like game show hosts to me."
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Hey Rick - that hill you want to die on just called. It wants nothing to do with you.
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Well, not really. We voted Natural Gas into office. Thomas Corbett is just Natural Gas's Christian name.
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this again?
i'm thinking that Cain is able to say all the crazy, uninformed shit he says -- people choose to be gay, contradicting himself on abortion in the space of two seconds, his 9-9-9 plan, uz-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan -- and not be called out on it precisely because he is black and the GOP is desperate to prove that they're not a party that gives aid and comfort to crazy, uninformed racists.
or is that racist of me?
BVS
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You down wit GOP?
Yeah you know me.
Yeah you know me.
Here's a telling graph that shows the effect of Cain's 9-9-9 plan on taxpayers:
Our Last Graph About 9-9-9, and the Only One You Need to See - Derek Thompson - Business - The Atlantic
So in essence, Cain's tax plan is a huuuuuuuuuuuuge tax cut on the rich and a tax increase on everyone else. Genius!
Our Last Graph About 9-9-9, and the Only One You Need to See - Derek Thompson - Business - The Atlantic
So in essence, Cain's tax plan is a huuuuuuuuuuuuge tax cut on the rich and a tax increase on everyone else. Genius!
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Diemen said:
This seems to be the tea party's goal.
Is it not?
deep
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people should pay for what they get
the less income you have, the more likely you are to use government services.
the less income you have, the more likely you are to use government services.
Irvine511
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people should pay for what they get
the less income you have, the more likely you are to use government services.
pay for things you will
deep
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everybody wants things
but nobody is willing to give up anything
if you want something bad enough
you should be will to to give something up.
but nobody is willing to give up anything
if you want something bad enough
you should be will to to give something up.
Michelle Bachmann sure does hate taxes these days. Didn't always appear to be the case:
Bachmann Once Prosecuted Tax Evaders For The IRS : NPR
Maybe she's learned from her mistakes?
Bachmann Once Prosecuted Tax Evaders For The IRS : NPR
Maybe she's learned from her mistakes?
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For a woman that hates taxes and big government, she and her family have suckled at that teat for a long time.
I only hope she leaves Minnesota when she gets her Fox News gig a year from now.
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Bit of a digression but...INDY, was wondering what you in particular think about this. (the race, not necessarily the article)
Richard Lugar, The Unlikely Target of Conservatives - George Will - Washington Post
Richard Lugar, The Unlikely Target of Conservatives - George Will - Washington Post
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This again? It's a distractive issue that doesn't matter, but you still have to say "I don't know, have I?". Trump seems to have some sort of hypnotic effect on some of these people. Must be the money and the loud personality.
ABC News
By Arlette Saenz
Oct 24, 2011 10:01am
Gov. Rick Perry opened speculation about whether he is a birther after he gave an unclear answer to the question about President Obama’s birth place in Sunday’s Parade Magazine.
Perry called it a “distractive issue” but gave no definitive answer concerning what he believes, only mentioning he had dinner with Donald Trump, who still doubts the authenticity of the birth certificate provided by the Obama administration last April, according to Perry.
When Perry was asked what he thought of the birth certificate, he answered, “I don’t have any idea.”
A spokesman for Perry said his answer on the matter was very clear.
Trump, who is being courted by nearly every Republican presidential candidate, led a crusade last April to force President Obama to disclose his long form birth certificate amidst accusations he was not born in this country.
Full exchange below:
Governor, do you believe that President Barack Obama was born in the United States?
–I have no reason to think otherwise.
That’s not a definitive, “Yes, I believe he…”
– Well, I don’t have a definitive answer, because he’s never seen my birth certificate.
But you’ve seen his.
–I don’t know. Have I?
You don’t believe what’s been released?
–I don’t know. I had dinner with Donald Trump the other night.
And?
–That came up.
And he said?
–He doesn’t think it’s real.
And you said?
–I don’t have any idea. It doesn’t matter. He’s the president of the United States. He’s elected. It’s a distractive issue.
ABC News
By Arlette Saenz
Oct 24, 2011 10:01am
Gov. Rick Perry opened speculation about whether he is a birther after he gave an unclear answer to the question about President Obama’s birth place in Sunday’s Parade Magazine.
Perry called it a “distractive issue” but gave no definitive answer concerning what he believes, only mentioning he had dinner with Donald Trump, who still doubts the authenticity of the birth certificate provided by the Obama administration last April, according to Perry.
When Perry was asked what he thought of the birth certificate, he answered, “I don’t have any idea.”
A spokesman for Perry said his answer on the matter was very clear.
Trump, who is being courted by nearly every Republican presidential candidate, led a crusade last April to force President Obama to disclose his long form birth certificate amidst accusations he was not born in this country.
Full exchange below:
Governor, do you believe that President Barack Obama was born in the United States?
–I have no reason to think otherwise.
That’s not a definitive, “Yes, I believe he…”
– Well, I don’t have a definitive answer, because he’s never seen my birth certificate.
But you’ve seen his.
–I don’t know. Have I?
You don’t believe what’s been released?
–I don’t know. I had dinner with Donald Trump the other night.
And?
–That came up.
And he said?
–He doesn’t think it’s real.
And you said?
–I don’t have any idea. It doesn’t matter. He’s the president of the United States. He’s elected. It’s a distractive issue.
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mediaite.com
Televangelist and mogul Pat Robertson — a man whose name is practically synonymous with the Religious Right — likely took 700 Club viewers by surprise today when he opined that the Republican base is losing support by “pushing” what he described as “an extreme position.”
Robertson expressed worry that Republican front runners are going to alienate voters during the general election by catering to a narrow base:
I believe it was Lyndon Johnson that said, “I doubt these people realize if they push me over to an extreme position that I’ll lose the election. And I’m the one who will be supporting what they want, but they’re going to make it so I can’t win.”
Those people in the Republican primary have got to lay off of this stuff. They’re forcing their leaders, the front runners, into positions that will mean they lose the general election. Now whether this did it to Cain, I don’t know, but nevertheless, you know, you appeal to the narrow base and they’ll applaud the daylights out of what you’re saying, and then you hit the general election and they say “no way” and then the Democrat, whoever it is, is going to just play these statements to the hilt. They’ve got to stop this! It’s just so counterproductive!
Well. If they want to lose, this is the game for losers.
As Right Wing Watch notes, Robertson’s statement came on the heels of a discussion about recent poll favorite Herman Cain‘s shifting views on how the government should approach the issue of abortion.
Televangelist and mogul Pat Robertson — a man whose name is practically synonymous with the Religious Right — likely took 700 Club viewers by surprise today when he opined that the Republican base is losing support by “pushing” what he described as “an extreme position.”
Robertson expressed worry that Republican front runners are going to alienate voters during the general election by catering to a narrow base:
I believe it was Lyndon Johnson that said, “I doubt these people realize if they push me over to an extreme position that I’ll lose the election. And I’m the one who will be supporting what they want, but they’re going to make it so I can’t win.”
Those people in the Republican primary have got to lay off of this stuff. They’re forcing their leaders, the front runners, into positions that will mean they lose the general election. Now whether this did it to Cain, I don’t know, but nevertheless, you know, you appeal to the narrow base and they’ll applaud the daylights out of what you’re saying, and then you hit the general election and they say “no way” and then the Democrat, whoever it is, is going to just play these statements to the hilt. They’ve got to stop this! It’s just so counterproductive!
Well. If they want to lose, this is the game for losers.
As Right Wing Watch notes, Robertson’s statement came on the heels of a discussion about recent poll favorite Herman Cain‘s shifting views on how the government should approach the issue of abortion.
BVS
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You know you're extreme right when Pat is calling you extreme... in fact you're just batshit insane.
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I thought Ron Paul was very good on Meet The Press.
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Ron Paul is the Dennis Kucinich of the GOP.
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Perry proposes 20 percent flat tax - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
But he's not heartless:
Just brainless. How do you replace the lost revenue for those that get a better deal with the 20 percent?
Oh...Cut, Balance, Grow = Economy Solved
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Herman Cain’s bafflingly weird “smoking” ad - Salon.com
Sometime last night, Herman Cain’s latest campaign video exploded onto the web, and immediately the debate began: What the hell was that?
Entitled “Now is the time for action!” the 56-second spot, which doesn’t seem designed to air as a paid television ad, features Mark Block, who is Cain’s campaign manager, offering a series of broad platitudes about how “Herman will put ‘united’ back in ‘United States of America’” and how “together we can take our country back.”
The decision to use Block, who seems slightly uncomfortable in front of the camera and whose name and face are unrecognizable to virtually every Republican primary voter, is curious, but what makes the video so bizarre is what happens when he finishes speaking: With an aggressive soundtrack rising in the background, Block raises a cigarette to his mouth, takes a drag, and puffs out a cloud of smoke.
The intent of the smoking shot is unclear, but it could represent Cain’s defiant response to recent media scrutiny of his three-year run in the late 1990s as the head of the National Restaurant Association, during which time he aligned the lobbying group with the tobacco industry. As the New York Times reported in a profile of Cain that ran over the weekend:
Under Mr. Cain’s leadership, the restaurant association opposed higher taxes on cigarettes and the use of federal money to prosecute cigarette makers for fraud — positions that Matt Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids said had little to do with the restaurant business.
And Mr. Cain argued vociferously that the decision about whether to go smoke-free was the province of individual restaurant owners, not the government. “The restaurant industry literally became the alter ego of the tobacco industry during that period of time,” Mr. Myers said in an interview.
The restaurant association relied heavily on R. J. Reynolds for financial support, records show. Mr. Meyne, the Reynolds senior director of public affairs, served on the restaurant group’s board, and Mr. Cain served on the board of Nabisco, which had earlier merged with Reynolds.
There will be those who claim the video represents savvy political marketing. After all, it was an instant viral sensation, with reporters, pundits and political professionals furiously passing it around on Twitter, and it will surely be replayed and dissected by all of the cable news channels today. Certainly, this is how Cain’s campaign is trying to spin it, telling NBC News last night that they’re pleased with the attention it’s receiving.
Sometime last night, Herman Cain’s latest campaign video exploded onto the web, and immediately the debate began: What the hell was that?
Entitled “Now is the time for action!” the 56-second spot, which doesn’t seem designed to air as a paid television ad, features Mark Block, who is Cain’s campaign manager, offering a series of broad platitudes about how “Herman will put ‘united’ back in ‘United States of America’” and how “together we can take our country back.”
The decision to use Block, who seems slightly uncomfortable in front of the camera and whose name and face are unrecognizable to virtually every Republican primary voter, is curious, but what makes the video so bizarre is what happens when he finishes speaking: With an aggressive soundtrack rising in the background, Block raises a cigarette to his mouth, takes a drag, and puffs out a cloud of smoke.
The intent of the smoking shot is unclear, but it could represent Cain’s defiant response to recent media scrutiny of his three-year run in the late 1990s as the head of the National Restaurant Association, during which time he aligned the lobbying group with the tobacco industry. As the New York Times reported in a profile of Cain that ran over the weekend:
Under Mr. Cain’s leadership, the restaurant association opposed higher taxes on cigarettes and the use of federal money to prosecute cigarette makers for fraud — positions that Matt Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids said had little to do with the restaurant business.
And Mr. Cain argued vociferously that the decision about whether to go smoke-free was the province of individual restaurant owners, not the government. “The restaurant industry literally became the alter ego of the tobacco industry during that period of time,” Mr. Myers said in an interview.
The restaurant association relied heavily on R. J. Reynolds for financial support, records show. Mr. Meyne, the Reynolds senior director of public affairs, served on the restaurant group’s board, and Mr. Cain served on the board of Nabisco, which had earlier merged with Reynolds.
There will be those who claim the video represents savvy political marketing. After all, it was an instant viral sensation, with reporters, pundits and political professionals furiously passing it around on Twitter, and it will surely be replayed and dissected by all of the cable news channels today. Certainly, this is how Cain’s campaign is trying to spin it, telling NBC News last night that they’re pleased with the attention it’s receiving.
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wait, - 20%
nope, I'm sticking with Cain, I think 9% is better.
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wait, - 20%
nope, I'm sticking with Cain, I think 9% is better.
If Bachmann comes up with an 8.5% plan, she may have my vote.
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