GOP Nominee 2012 - who will it be?

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As a libertarian, I'm hoping Herman Cain shakes
the dust and the has-beens out of the Republican Party.

Herman Cain
I am with you on this. The guy is sure to stir up some interesting fun at the coming GOP debates, anyway.

One thing is for sure, though. Anyone for a leaner, smarter Federal government, reduced foreign military commitments, and less lobbying culture has no hope in either major party in Washington.
 
Eventually the GOP establishment will face a grand reckoning over proposing massive cuts to Grandma's prescription drug money while continuing to favor the higher tax brackets and big energy.

This is only the beginning.
 
let's just say it now: higher taxes are coming.

perhaps even a return to the job-killing, unemployment-raising, soul-crushing tax rates of the Clinton years.
 
well, damn ... going to be interesting:

Palin's Secret Weapon: New Film to Premiere in June
By Scott Conroy

Shortly after Republicans swept last November to a historic victory in which Sarah Palin was credited with playing a central role, the former Alaska governor pulled aside her close aide, Rebecca Mansour, to discuss a hush-hush assignment: Reach out to conservative filmmaker Stephen K. Bannon with a request. Ask him if he would make a series of videos extolling Palin's governorship and laying to rest lingering questions about her controversial decision to resign from office with a year-and-a-half left in her first term. It was this abdication, Palin knew, that had made her damaged goods in the eyes of some Republicans who once were eager to get behind her potential 2012 presidential campaign.

The response was more positive than Palin could have hoped for. He'd make a feature-length movie, Bannon told Mansour, and he insisted upon taking complete control and financing it himself -- to the tune of $1 million.

The fruits of that initial conversation are now complete. The result is a two-hour-long, sweeping epic, a rough cut of which Bannon screened privately for Sarah and Todd Palin last Wednesday in Arizona, where Alaska's most famous couple has been rumored to have purchased a new home. When it premieres in Iowa next month, the film is poised to serve as a galvanizing prelude to Palin's prospective presidential campaign -- an unconventional reintroduction to the nation that she and her political team have spent months eagerly anticipating, even as Beltway Republicans have largely concluded that she won't run.

Bannon, a former naval officer and ex-Goldman Sachs banker, sees his documentary as the first step in Palin's effort to rebuild her image in the eyes of voters who may have soured on her, yet might reconsider if old caricatures begin to fade. The film will also appeal to staunch Palin supporters who have long celebrated her biting rhetoric and conservative populism yet know little about her record in Alaska and have perhaps written her off as presidential material.

"This film is a call to action for a campaign like 1976: Reagan vs. the establishment," Bannon told RealClearPolitics. "Let's have a good old-fashioned brouhaha."

RealClearPolitics was recently given an exclusive screening of a rough cut of the now finished film, which Bannon designed, in part, to help catapult Palin from the presidential afterthought she has become in the eyes of many pundits directly to the front lines of the 2012 GOP conversation.

Palin initially learned about Bannon's work after she saw one of his previous films about the origins of the tea party movement, "Generation Zero," which premiered last year in Nashville and was later aired in prime time on the Fox News Channel. Impressed, Palin promoted "Generation Zero" via Twitter before later reaching out to Bannon about creating something to highlight her record in Alaska, where her performance in office was overshadowed by her resignation eight months after the 2008 presidential election.

Though she did not have any editorial role in the project, Palin facilitated access for Bannon and his film crew to key Alaskan defenders who were involved with the major achievements of her administration, and the filmmaker spent several weeks in the 49th state gathering archival film and conducting research and interviews for the project. He and his team took extraordinary measures to keep their endeavor secret.

When they requested from Alaska's TV news stations footage that was shot during Palin's political rise, they asked for additional tapes containing subject matters that were irrelevant to their project, in order not to raise suspicions. And rather than staying at the well-appointed Hotel Captain Cook in Anchorage, they instead took up temporary residence in low-key motels.

"We shot on the weekends, and we shot in locations that weren't being used during those weekends," Bannon said. "I did it with a handpicked crew of people I know and trust, and we were able to stay under the radar. The planning for the secrecy of this took many, many weeks."

Bannon originally titled his film "Take a Stand," which was the campaign slogan for Palin's 2006 gubernatorial run when she defeated incumbent Republican Frank Murkowski in the primary before cruising in the general election to become Alaska's youngest -- and first female -- chief executive. But in order to give it a more triumphant punch, the filmmaker changed the title to "The Undefeated."

Bannon acquired the audio rights to Palin's 2009 bestseller, "Going Rogue," and the former vice-presidential nominee's voice guides the film through the various stages of her career in Alaska.

Although Palin is not interviewed directly, the film features on-camera interviews and commentaries from 10 Alaskans who played different roles in her political rise, as well as six Lower 48 denizens who defend her in more visceral terms, including prominent conservative firebrands Mark Levin, Andrew Breitbart and Tammy Bruce.

Divided into three acts, the film makes the case that despite the now cliched label, Palin was indeed a maverick who confronted the powerful forces lined up against her to achieve wide-ranging success in a short period of time. The second part of the film's message is just as clear, if more subjective: that Sarah Palin is the only conservative leader who can both build on the legacy of the Reagan Revolution and bring the ideals of the tea party movement to the Oval Office.

Rife with religious metaphor and unmistakable allusions to Palin as a Joan of Arc-like figure, "The Undefeated" echoes Palin's "Going Rogue" in its tidy division of the world between the heroes who are on her side and the villains who seek to thwart her at every turn.

To convey Bannon's view of the pathology behind Palin-hatred, the film begins with a fast-paced sequence of clips showing some of the prominent celebrities who have used sexist, derogatory and generally vicious language to describe her.

Rosie O'Donnell, Matt Damon, Bill Maher, David Letterman, and Howard Stern all have brief cameos before comedian Louis C.K. goes off on a particularly ugly anti-Palin riff.

"I hate her more than anybody," C.K. says at the end of his tirade, the rest of which is unfit to print here.

Bannon intends to release two versions of the film. An unrated edition will contain some obscene anti-Palin language and imagery, while the other is targeted to a general audience and will seek a PG-13 rating from the Motion Picture Association of America.

RealClearPolitics - Palin's Secret Weapon: New Film to Premiere in June
 
You can polish a turd......

The fact remains, she quit her job to become a reality tv star and make money off of book sales and speaking engagements.

I love the whole "me versus the world" and it should be more appropriately "stupid versus smart".

She is an afterthought now, and I can't see a movie actually changing this.
 
At this point, Herman Cain intrigues me, but I fear the Republican Establishment will do all they can to ensure he doesn't win the primaries. They'll offer up another ho-hum McCain type and pour all their money into him.
 
At this point, Herman Cain intrigues me, but I fear the Republican Establishment will do all they can to ensure he doesn't win the primaries. They'll offer up another ho-hum McCain type and pour all their money into him.

I think Cain has done a lot himself to ensure he won't win:

ThinkProgress � Herman Cain Led Radical Group That Accused Democrats Of Wanting To Kill ‘Black Babies’

YouTube - ‪"I Don't Snuff My Own Seed": 2006 Radio Ad Featuring Herman Cain‬‏
 
The fact remains, she (Palin) quit her job

to be available to lead the 2010 Tea-Party Revolution that led to the biggest congessional gains since the 1920s.
 
The fact remains, she (Palin) quit her job

to be available to lead the 2010 Tea-Party Revolution that led to the biggest congessional gains since the 1920s.



and after the NY-26 election and the downward drift of GOP approval ratings in the wake of the Ryan plan may send Congress back into Dem hands in 2012.
 
the Dems won't win the house back in 2012
they will lose the Senate

that NY race again proves that the tea party matters
the tea party candidate got 9 per cent of the vote
the Dem only got 47%

I guess they will have a rematch in 2012, without a tea party candidate, she may not win again
 
the Dems won't win the house back in 2012
they will lose the Senate

that NY race again proves that the tea party matters
the tea party candidate got 9 per cent of the vote
the Dem only got 47%

I guess they will have a rematch in 2012, without a tea party candidate, she may not win again



we'll see. too early to tell, but NY-26 is a heavily Republican district, and the lynching of Gingrich over the Ryan plan may just have been the political gift the Dems have been waiting for. the same Tea Partiers who are worried about the debt love their Medicare, and the GOP wants to do away with it, and old people vote.
 
the tea party contingent in the GOP won't back off the Ryan reform, it will have some negative effect
but in 2012 the GOP will be buoyed by a lot of anti-collective bargaining initiatives on state ballots -that is one issue that tracks 60+ per cent in their favor.
 
In May of 2007 I would have thought the Dem candidate would have the advantage over the GOP candidate in the Nov 2008 election
 
DCCC Chair Steve Israel: Medicare Has Put House Back In Play
Benjy Sarlin | May 26, 2011, 12:38PM

How big is the Medicare issue for Democrats in 2012? Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY), chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, told reporters on Thursday that the House is already back in play thanks to the GOP's budget.

"I did not expect to be able to tell you the House was in play as early as May, but today I can tell you that I fundamentally believe the House of Representatives is in play and that the Democrats can win a majority," he said at a press conference with his Senate counterpart, Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee chair Patty Murray (D-WA).

Israel pointed to the recent NY-26 election as evidence of the trend and said the early victory was crucial to the DCCC's recruiting efforts. He said that they had called their top 50 prospective recruits immediately after Democrat Kathy Hochul's victory.

Israel cautioned that it was early in the political process to draw conclusions.

"Victory in NY-26 is not going to make us cocky. We're going to continue to be clear eyed and strategic and tactical," he said, adding that the win "will inform our strategy, it will not be our strategy." But he confirmed the obvious, that NY-26's Medicare-heavy message was a "sneak preview" of Democratic campaigns around the country heading into the 2012 election.

In another dig at the GOP over their Medicare proposal, he suggested that contesting House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan's own district would be a top priority for the DCCC. Ryan already has drawn a Democratic challenger in Rob Zerban, a businessman who told TPM this week his campaign would build on NY-26's Medicare strategy, and Israel repeatedly cited him as a credible threat.

"We have an outstanding candidate," Israel said of Zerban. "He chose to get in based on the fact that his member of Congress was leading the charge to end Medicare in order to fund tax cuts for big oil companies."

DCCC Chair Steve Israel: Medicare Has Put House Back In Play | TPMDC



a bit optimistic, but don't underestimate what this and an improving economy could do.
 
economy is key. If it improves, there is no chance Obama loses, and the Dems may get a few seats back, or even the majority as the republicans haven't offered anything except the Ryan plan which has proven so far to be a disaster.

You have to give Ryan some credit though, he did put a plan out there, even if it's shit, he has tried. I'm not so sure what the Dems have done besides Obama's plan from back in Feb which was shut out in a house vote.
 
There still is the immigration issue to address before the 2012 elections.

Short of proposing amnesty, free abortions/healthcare, free college tuition and social security eligibility at age 55 for illegals, I don't know how Dems don't win votes on immigration.
 
I have little faith that any party will actually do what's necessary to get these issues resolved. The whole problem is we're so divided as a country, or the extreme on each side are the most vocal.....that the middle ground is lost because our politicans have to pander to the extreme.

The only way we get out of this mess is to raise taxes (and I'm for across the board, not just the super rich, though they should be taxed higher and there's a history of that in our country), fixes to medicare, welfare, and the healthcare industry. But we're so accustomed to having low taxes that the threat of raising them pretty much means a politician is done.

Same thing with immigration. With the growing hispanic population, coming down harder on those laws or passing new ones risks voter turn out in that demographic.

It's all just one big loop that I don't see ending in a good way.
 
I have little faith that any party will actually do what's necessary to get these issues resolved. The whole problem is we're so divided as a country, or the extreme on each side are the most vocal.....that the middle ground is lost because our politicans have to pander to the extreme.



i think this is only true on the right. the Left are largely ignored by the Democrats, who spend most of their time groveling to the Middle. there are certain things a politician can do to gain ground with the Democratic base, and i think Cuomo's push for Marriage Equality in NY is largely an attempt to win him liberal street cred for the 2016 primaries. but given the fact that majorities in the country now support equal rights, it's really not all that Left. i guess you could see fidelity/pandering to Labor Unions, but i fail to see how that is anything other than center Left, and it certainly doesn't compare to the rhetoric we're going to hear from the Right as the GOP contest heats up.
 
You have to give Ryan some credit though, he did put a plan out there, even if it's shit, he has tried. I'm not so sure what the Dems have done besides Obama's plan from back in Feb which was shut out in a house vote.

Party of 'no ideas' vs the party of bad ideas.
While oversimplified, it generally remains true.
 
i think this is only true on the right. the Left are largely ignored by the Democrats, who spend most of their time groveling to the Middle. there are certain things a politician can do to gain ground with the Democratic base, and i think Cuomo's push for Marriage Equality in NY is largely an attempt to win him liberal street cred for the 2016 primaries. but given the fact that majorities in the country now support equal rights, it's really not all that Left. i guess you could see fidelity/pandering to Labor Unions, but i fail to see how that is anything other than center Left, and it certainly doesn't compare to the rhetoric we're going to hear from the Right as the GOP contest heats up.

Yeah, as an outsider looking at this from Australia/New Zealand, I've often wondered where the left in the US has even got to. The right are ridiculously vocal, the centre is obviously there, but the left? I'll be honest and say that I perceive most political debates in the US as centre-right vs extreme right.
 
Yeah, as an outsider looking at this from Australia/New Zealand, I've often wondered where the left in the US has even got to. The right are ridiculously vocal, the centre is obviously there, but the left? I'll be honest and say that I perceive most political debates in the US as centre-right vs extreme right.
The 2000s have seen a sizable shift of U.S. politics to the right, though you could argue it began in the 1980s with Regan and his very effective rhetoric against the lower classes and the left, and his support of the excess of the financial sector and banking class.

Clinton's time in office was largely a stopgap, and even then the Republicans controlled the legislature. The 90s were relatively a big party in the U.S...a simpler time where we worried about O.J. Simpson's fate and Brittney Spears.

The interesting (and scary) thing is that after enough examination of Washington, these days it seems like it is neither the GOP nor the Democrats who will be the salvation of those who enjoy the telecoms not sorting through their mobile calls or email. Washington after 9/11 is an oppressive, security-minded, militaristic culture, whether you lean left or right on social issues.
 
I think the distorted view of U.S. politics is almost entirely due to corporate media and media consolidation. --A different thread to be sure.

We have absolutely surrendered to corporations and the dollar in the U.S. in regard to politics with no correction in sight.
 
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