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Old 08-23-2011, 06:11 PM   #901
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August 23, 2011 Howard Dean: ‘Huntsman is a great candidate for president but he is in the wrong party’

It’s not an endorsement that former Utah Gov. John Huntsman likely asked for, but his policy positions have won the support of Howard Dean.

“I learned that Jon Huntsman is a great candidate for president but he is in the wrong party,” Dean said. “I’m sure he’ll be happy to hear that from me.”
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I should have known something was up when a Republican was getting praise in FYM. Howard "I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for" Dean has just delivered the Judas kiss.

Look for Huntsman to drop out soon to join the MSNBC primetime line-up.
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Ha. If that ends up being true, that was too easy. I hope no-one is getting paid for this.
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I should have known something was up when a Republican was getting praise in FYM.
Note that the Republican who gets praise in FYM is the only one in the current pack who doesn't have a history of flip-flopping, isn't swinging for the fringes, and has publicly vowed to hold a respectful, civil campaign.
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Note that the Republican who gets praise in FYM is the only one in the current pack who doesn't have a history of flip-flopping, isn't swinging for the fringes, and has publicly vowed to hold a respectful, civil campaign.
And was in WIZARD!!!

(can't discount that)
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I had no idea what you meant so I looked it up. He's on the top right

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bad news for Mittens!

Perry Zooms to Front of Pack for 2012 GOP Nomination


time for someone to remove the mittens and start swinging!

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bad news for Mittens!

Perry Zooms to Front of Pack for 2012 GOP Nomination


time for someone to remove the mittens and start swinging!

Has anyone broken the news to Michelle yet?

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Note that the Republican who gets praise in FYM is the only one in the current pack who doesn't have a history of flip-flopping, isn't swinging for the fringes, and has publicly vowed to hold a respectful, civil campaign.
And would give a stately, dignified concession speech next November.
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And would give a stately, dignified concession speech next November.
Do you really think Perry would do better in the general than a moderate?
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Ah, the culture war rages on this election I see. Is there such a thing as White Rage?
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Ah, the culture war rages on this election I see. Is there such a thing as White Rage?
probably, just check the unemployment lines in America, you will see plenty of rage
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I don't like Obama, but he looks pretty badass in that photo.
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Do you really think Perry would do better in the general than a moderate?
Let's ask President McCain or President Dole.
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Let's ask President McCain or President Dole.


what about President H.W. Bush?

by modern standards, isn't Regan a moderate?

is the country really better off after 8 years of W. Bush?
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what about President H.W. Bush?

by modern standards, isn't Regan a moderate?
Why let facts get in the way? In the Tea Party re-telling of history, Reagan is an anti-government, budget balancing conservative hero who would never think of extending the debt ceiling, let alone compromising with those dirty libruls.
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Why let facts get in the way? In the Tea Party re-telling of history, Reagan is an anti-government, budget balancing conservative hero who would never think of extending the debt ceiling, let alone compromising with those dirty libruls.
The stories are so good, I'm starting to fall in love with Reagan.


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Why let facts get in the way? In the Tea Party re-telling of history, Reagan is an anti-government, budget balancing conservative hero who would never think of extending the debt ceiling, let alone compromising with those dirty libruls.


nor did he ever raise taxes. 11 times. or increase the national debt from $700bn to $3T.
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Why let facts get in the way? In the Tea Party re-telling of history, Reagan is an anti-government, budget balancing conservative hero who would never think of extending the debt ceiling, let alone compromising with those dirty libruls.
There you go again.

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In his speech Monday night Mr. Obama quoted Mr. Reagan speaking August 11, 1982 in Billings. Montana: “Would you rather reduce deficits and interest rates by raising revenue from those who are not now paying their fair share, or would you rather accept larger budget deficits, higher interest rates, and higher unemployment? And I think I know your answer.” At that time Mr. Reagan had reluctantly agreed to a deal in which the Democratic Congress promised to reduce spending by $3 for every $1 in new revenue. But this Faustian bargain only demonstrates why House Speaker John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican, is holding the line on taxes today. During the Reagan years, Congress went ahead and imposed the agreed-on taxes but quickly broke the spending-cut pledge and instead pursued even greater budget increases. As Reagan later lamented, “Congress never cut spending by even one penny.”

But Mr. Reagan would not be fooled again. In a 1983 debt-ceiling debate, Reagan threatened to veto any measure that contained tax hikes. “I am unalterably opposed to Congress‘ efforts to raise taxes on individuals and businesses,” he said. His administration “did not come to Washington to raise the peoples’ taxes. We came here to restore opportunity and get this economy moving again. We do not face large deficits because Americans aren’t taxed enough. We face those deficits because the Congress still spends too much.”

In a 1987 radio address to the nation, he decried the Democratic drive to weaken America and put the country in more debt. “For those who say further responsible spending reductions are not possible,” Reagan said, “they are wrong. For those who say the only choice is undermining our national security … they are wrong. For those who say more taxes will solve our deficit problems, they are wrong.”

If Mr. Obama and the tax-and-spend liberals want to quote from the Reagan record, let them use that one. They were wrong then, and they are wrong now.
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by modern standards, isn't Regan a moderate?
I can only assume that you're too young to remember the 80's and Bono's "Ronald Ray-gun," the Left going bananas over Robert Bork, "Welfare queens," "The Evil Empire," the union busting of PATCO, across the board tax rate cuts, deregulation of many industries, "trees cause pollution," "Reaganomics" and on and on. And let's not even bring up his very public religious views and how they influenced him.

Reagan had a Democratically controlled House his entire term and Senate part of it. He had to compromise and felt, rightfully in hindsight, that rebuilding the military with spending and economy through tax cuts was more important than short term debt. As the economy grew the House wouldn't let him control domestic spending.

He compromised to achieve his two priorities; shrink government and defeat Communism.

Reagan as a moderate... please. Anything I guess to avoid talking about the current president's record.
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He had to compromise

read that again. think about the GOP today. read it again. you see?




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Reagan as a moderate... please. Anything I guess to avoid talking about the current president's record.

Obama has had a tremendous first term in many ways. the economy remains an enormous issue, and an issue that the president (any president) isn't as able to influence as much as we like to think.

the present fanatical focus on deficits and austerity at the price of job creation is going to harm us tremendously long term. you want to pay down the debt? we need more revenue from more people going back to work.

but, again, Obama has to compromise ....

compare Reagan to the GOP of today. and especially the present batch of GOP candidates. he is dead-on moderate, if not to the left of many of the "mainstream" candidates -- Bachmann, Perry, Santorum, Gingrich, and even the shadowy Ms. Palin.

you are right, he does share some things with today's GOP, like a deep empathy for the super rich, the ability to wield racism for political expediency, environmental depravity, and the wild overestimation of shadowy foreign threats in order to increase needless defense spending.

but compared to Bachmann and Perry? Reagan looks positively like Lincoln.
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