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Old 08-12-2011, 12:15 AM   #801
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I only watched part of the debate, but from what I saw I'm thinking Bachmann stands to gain the most from it in the short term?
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A question to liberals: How do you feel about Ron Paul?
Fun and makes some good points but is also not really living in reality and has the tenancy to be your crazy uncle in gov't.

He's the right's Dennis Kucinich.
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Fun and makes some good points but is also not really living in reality and has the tenancy to be your crazy uncle in gov't.

He's the right's Dennis Kucinich.
Interesting, I was under the impression that he would probably be the most acceptable choice in the eyes of the left
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i have been in a vortex all day -- did i hear correctly that Santorum expressed concern for the rights of homosexuals in Iran?
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Interesting, I was under the impression that he would probably be the most acceptable choice in the eyes of the left
I don't speak for the "left".

Paul talks clearly, openly and honestly, without veneer, which is why he will never have a legitimate shot at the presidency.

Just rewatched the debate tonight and Paul speaks honestly on Iran, and then Captain Dipshit jumps all over him with the usual Neocon BS clusterfuck shitstorm as any of the other little puppets on stage would have done (with the exception of Mittens because he is a smooth operator).

Ron Paul is too smart and much too honest to be a Republican in the current party.
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i have been in a vortex all day -- did i hear correctly that Santorum expressed concern for the rights of homosexuals in Iran?
Yes and no.

It was a rather long exchange between him and Ron Paul about Iran.

Ron Paul is against most wars. He said he didn't care if Iran got nukes. He then listed all the countries that had them, that the USSR had them all during the cold war and that we talked to them. He said that we should have dialog with Iran.

Santorum went on a bit of a tirade about how terrible Iran is, the Israelis can not sleep at night because of the fear of attack. Then he listed a whole bunch of Iranian sins, no free press, bad treatment of women, etc, in the list was repression of gays. It sounded kind of funny. But, I am sure if he got a follow up on it, he would have said he does not believe gays should be in jail.
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I only watched part of the debate, but from what I saw I'm thinking Bachmann stands to gain the most from it in the short term?
I watched it all.

Romney gets the win, came out not bloodied.

Bachmann gets the best bump, came in second. She did not misspeak at all. She seemed reasonable, in that she stood on her principals.

Pawlenty is the biggest loser. He looked bad attacking Bachmann and she more than held her own against him.
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I don't know what was said specifically re Iran, but if it was the full spectrum of standard 'neocon shitstorm' stuff - anyone who suggests any kind of attack on Iran should not be allowed within a mile of the White House. That would be an amazing exercise in self-defeat. One for the All Time Cock Up Hall of Fame, whether it comes from the US or Israel. I hope there's no-one still advocating that.
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The crowd at the GOP primary debate in Ames, Iowa did not appreciate Byron York asking Michele Bachmann about this part of a recent Washington Post profile on Thursday night:

"He is her godly husband," said Peter Bachmann, Dr. Bachmann's oldest brother, who lives on the family dairy farm across the eastern border in Wisconsin. "The husband is to be the head of the wife, according to God." It is a philosophy that Michele Bachmann echoed to congregants of the Living Word Christian Center in 2006, when she stated that she pursued her degree in tax law only because her husband had told her to. "The Lord says: Be submissive, wives. You are to be submissive to your husbands," she said.


When York asked about whether she was submissive, the crowd booed and hissed, loudly.

Bachmann batted it aside. "I respect my husband, he's a wonderful godly man, and we respect each other."
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Obama will get reelected because everyone the Republicans will throw up there suck.

Much like how bush got reelected.

Problem is we never realize that both of these parties are run by douchebags who have only their party's well being at heart, not America.

We NEED more options. Otherwise our nation will fail, like every empire before us.

The two party system is an abject failure.
The U.S. would need to turn into a parliamentary democracy most likely. That generally means a weaker presidency (although France is a notable example of an exception) and the Speaker of the House becomes the "Prime Minister." The nature of the Senate might have to change too, either being abolished or perhaps appointed by state governments.

In other words, the changes required to make this environment favourable might require constitutional amendments that will never get passed in a million years.
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A question to liberals: How do you feel about Ron Paul?
I like about half of what he says. The other half:
(and to be fair, I think some of what Kucinich says is coocoo, too.)

Also, I HATE people that claim to be a Libertarian but would restrict women's reproductive choices.
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When York asked about whether she was submissive, the crowd booed and hissed, loudly.

Based on her past quote, if accurate, fair question. However, I'm pretty sure many of the women who spout this philosophy aren't actually submissive.
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A question to liberals: How do you feel about Ron Paul?
He's an ivory-tower populist; a crowd-pleaser on paper, whilst untenable in practice.
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I like Ron Paul. I like some of what he says and he makes a lot of sense, but it wouldn't work in practice.
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It's funny. It seems like most people agree that Ron Paul has some pretty solid ideas, but no one seems to have any confidence in his ability to actually bring these ideas to fruition
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Based on her past quote, if accurate, fair question. However, I'm pretty sure many of the women who spout this philosophy aren't actually submissive.
A missed oportunity.

She could have hit it out of the park. (or at least swung for the fences)

She should have said something like.

In America most people respect one's personal religious believes.
The 20? years I served as an elected official my husband has never tried to dictate how I do my job. He realizes I was the person elected to office.
This is a bit like when JFK was asked if he was going to take orders from the Pope.
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^ I agree, that would have been the states(wo)manlike answer. But Kennedy wasn't looking to be The Catholic President, whereas Bachmann does want to be a Christian President.
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A point of view (with some bias).

I am sure if you check the voters in her district that support her you will find some Jews, and agnostics that support her for her 'no tax stand' of some other parts of her platform.
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