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Old 04-22-2011, 05:57 PM   #261
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Barring the entry of some strong new candidate into the field, I'll be astounded if the GOP doesn't rally around Romney by primary time. I can't stand Mitt Romney, but the notion that anyone could find Palin or Trump preferable to him as presidential material leaves me utterly gobsmacked. Huckabee I can understand a little better, he was a competent governor, it's mostly when he turns to foreign policy (or dips his toe into birtherism) that he starts to sound politically suicidal.

Long time to go yet though...
Heaven help us all if they rally around Tim Pawlenty.

He's a useless tool in sheep's clothing.
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NationalJournal.com - Giuliani Leaves the 'Door Open' for 2012, Praises Trump - Thursday, April 28, 2011

Maybe he'll announce his candidacy on the 10th Anniversary of Sept. 11.
He is that classy.
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Barring the entry of some strong new candidate into the field, I'll be astounded if the GOP doesn't rally around Romney by primary time. I can't stand Mitt Romney, but the notion that anyone could find Palin or Trump preferable to him as presidential material leaves me utterly gobsmacked. Huckabee I can understand a little better, he was a competent governor, it's mostly when he turns to foreign policy (or dips his toe into birtherism) that he starts to sound politically suicidal.

Long time to go yet though...
Romney to me is the least of the evils in Republican land right now. I just wonder how he will get out of the primaries which normally only attract the rabid base.

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NationalJournal.com - Giuliani Leaves the 'Door Open' for 2012, Praises Trump - Thursday, April 28, 2011

Maybe he'll announce his candidacy on the 10th Anniversary of Sept. 11.
He is that classy.
He would. Ugh.
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Romney McCain to me is the least of the evils in Republican land right now. I just wonder how he will get out of the primaries which normally only attract the rabid base.


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Rasmussen Reports, April 28 - National GOP Primary Poll
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A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of likely Republican primary voters finds Trump with 19% support, just ahead of the former governors, Massachusetts’ Romney at 17% and Arkansas’ Huckabee with 15%.

Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin and ex-House Speaker Newt Gingrich are tied for fourth place with 9% each, closely followed by Texas Congressman Ron Paul at 8%. Rounding out the list are former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty (5%) and Mitch Daniels, the current governor of Indiana (3%). 5% like some other candidate, and 11% are undecided when presented with this list of candidates.
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Trump is the top choice of likely primary voters who are Tea Party members with 22% support, compared to 16% support among non-members. Romney is the top choice of those who are not members of the grassroots movement. Huckabee runs strongest among primary voters who are Evangelical Christians, with 23% support. Romney leads among other Protestants and is tied with Trump among Catholic voters.
Re: deep's comment -- the report does point out that McCain didn't lead their primary polls until December 2007. (Although, the ratio of serious candidates to buffoons was higher in 2007...)
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What does this prove? To get the Tea Party vote you should be an out of touch, hypocritical birther.

To get the Evangelical you just have to be a hypocritical liar.
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What does this prove? To get the Tea Party vote you should be an out of touch, hypocritical birther.

To get the Evangelical you just have to be a hypocritical liar.
This is why I worry about Tim Pawlenty. He straddles all of those lines and is milquetoasty enough to pull it out. He's not good enough to beat Obama, but it's not impossible. He's makes the same bullshit-folksiness that Palin pushes look more genuine. (It's not, but a lot of people buy it.)


ETA--Pawlenty is an easy sacrificial lamb for the GOP, too, for 2012. He's doesn't have much of a future, especially after Dick Cheney called and told him not to run for Senate (Norm Coleman's turn).
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I think Trump just loves the limelight and self promotion.
If he gets in,( which I doubt) he won't go very far in the GOP primaries at all.

Trump has a long history of assisting Democrats - CNN.com
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ETA--Pawlenty is an easy sacrificial lamb for the GOP, too, for 2012. He's doesn't have much of a future, especially after Dick Cheney called and told him not to run for Senate (Norm Coleman's turn).


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As Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels mulls a presidential run in 2012, he announced plans to sign a bill making Indiana the first state to pull federal funding from Planned Parenthood, a move that could boost his standing among social conservatives.

"I supported this bill from the outset, and the recent addition of language guarding against the spending of tax dollars to support abortions creates no reason to alter my position." Daniels said in a statement. "The principle involved commands the support of an overwhelming majority of Hoosiers."
Seriously, what's not to like about the guy?
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(Although, the ratio of serious candidates to buffoons was higher in 2007...)
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Seriously, what's not to like about the guy?


your base won't vote for anyone who is serious?

but then again, hurting poor women and jeopardizing their health is certainly something that's going to make the base proud.
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Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum officially registered his presidential exploratory committee with the Federal Election Commission, allowing him to participate in Thursday's South Carolina debate and putting him even closer to a formal announcement to run for president.

Santorum had established a "testing the waters" account last month, but did not file with the FEC. Fox News, the host of the debate, set criteria that to be included a candidate would need to have officially registered an exploratory committee or have announced a formal campaign for president.
Rick Santorum forms exploratory committee for presidential run - latimes.com

Oh dear. And what's sad is that there will be people willing to vote for him.
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Eh, let him waste his money... fool
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hurting poor women and jeopardizing their health is certainly something that's going to make the base proud.
And Ann Coulter calls abortion “the holiest sacrament” in the religion of liberalism. Is there really no middle ground to agree on in this debate?
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And Ann Coulter calls abortion “the holiest sacrament” in the religion of liberalism. Is there really no middle ground to agree on in this debate?


Planned Parenthood performs more abortions than anyone because they are the most affordable, that's where poor women are forced by economic circumstance to go. rich women and the daughters of Senators will always have access to abortion, legal or not.

Planned Parenthood also offers pap smears and HIV tests, lots of them.

this actually has not that much to do with the right-or-wrong-ness of abortion and everything to do with harming the health of poor women. but, hey, if it allows the holier-than-thou crowd to get joy out of slut-shaming in the name of "the children," by all means, Gov. Daniels, do what you have to do.

he actually does seem like the sanest of the bunch.
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INDIANAPOLIS (AP) -- Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels on Thursday signed into law a plan giving Indiana the nation's most sweeping private school voucher program. Lawmakers and supporters joined Daniels at a Statehouse ceremony where he signed the voucher bill and another proposal aimed at expanding charter schools, which are public schools free of many state regulations. Daniels and other bill supporters say the proposals will give parents more choices for educating their children.
"Every child is precious," Daniels told the crowd, including children from several private schools. "Every child deserves an equal chance to be all they can be."
The voucher program uses taxpayer money to help parents send their children to private and religious schools. The plan is based on a sliding income scale, with families of four making more than $60,000 qualifying for some level of scholarship if they switch from public to private schools.
Legislative leaders and education advocates said the bill signing marked a historic day, and that the nation is watching Indiana as it embarks on a new level of school choice.
What's not to love about our governor?
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That's a cool thing. It's too bad he's a dick to women.
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What's not to love about our governor?


what does he know about foreign policy? serious question.
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Not a voucher fan.

Public money is for public schools. Choice has nothing to do with it.
There are plenty of financial aid plans for private schools for people who can't afford them.
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