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Old 01-24-2006, 07:58 PM   #1
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Google Agrees To Censor Searches in China

"To obtain the Chinese license, Google agreed to omit Web content that the country's government finds objectionable. Google will base its censorship decisons on guidance provided by Chinese government officials.

Although China has loosened some of its controls in recent years, some topics, such as Taiwan's independence and 1989's Tiananmen Square massacre, remain forbidden subjects.

Google officials characterized the censorship concessions in China as an excruciating decision for a company that adopted "don't be evil" as a motto. But management believes it's a worthwhile sacrifice."

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/24/D8FBCF686.html


*yeah, a good flood of money causes some to toss freedom out the window*
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Further proof that governments are a greater threat to freedom than business.
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Why should this surprise anyone? And how would simply not operating there at all advance democracy in China?
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Re: Google Agrees To Censor Searches in China

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*yeah, a good flood of money causes some to toss freedom out the window*
Law of the land...
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Why should this surprise anyone? And how would simply not operating there at all advance democracy in China?

This does not surprise me, I'm just wondering Google and other companies eager to do business with China are really helping the people in China gain freedom.

*or like i posted, just pocketing the money*


I doubt if many members here would like their search engines restricted.

They are real people over there.

Do you care or not?
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I doubt if many members here would like their search engines restricted.

They are real people over there.

Do you care or not?
It's not a matter of caring or not. We're not in the business of liberating the country.
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This does not surprise me, I'm just wondering Google and other companies eager to do business with China are really helping the people in China gain freedom.

*or like i posted, just pocketing the money*


I doubt if many members here would like their search engines restricted.

They are real people over there.

Do you care or not?
umm...of course I realize they are real people, and of course I care.

My point is that any form of internet is better than none and will at least give the country a limited view of the rest of the world...If these google guys got all noble about it and refused the enormous business opportunity, do you think the Chinese government would blink twice?
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It's not a matter of caring or not. We're not in the business of liberating the country.

I'm not talking about some gorverment.

I am thinking about people.

What should we be doing then, to demand the freedom of all people to free speech and internet searches?
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Allow a middle class to develop & hope it takes care of itself?...Ultimately I suppose it's up to the Chinese to demand their own freedom at least with the situation as it is now.
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I'm not talking about some gorverment.

I am thinking about people.

What should we be doing then, to demand the freedom of all people to free speech and internet searches?
I just think you are barking up the wrong tree.

Yes I would love freedom of speech for all, but the law of their land doesn't allow for that...

So an internet company isn't the means in which to fight this battle.
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I just think you are barking up the wrong tree.

"In this present world system, I'm always barking up the wrong tree."

Yes I would love freedom of speech for all, but the law of their land doesn't allow for that...

"The Nazis had laws."

So an internet company isn't the means in which to fight this battle.
"So where do we fight this battle?"
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Allow a middle class to develop & hope it takes care of itself?...Ultimately I suppose it's up to the Chinese to demand their own freedom at least with the situation as it is now.
This is precisely the view of a great many political scientists specializing in China, actually--that freedom will come only if and when China's growing middle classes want it to come. Which they almost certainly will, given the interest (economic and otherwise) that sector typically has in free exchange of information.

Though to be fair to iron horse, that doesn't really constitute an adequate answer to the ethical questions involved in extending the benefits of ICTs to authoritarian governments, particularly where profits are involved.

Comparing them to the Nazis is quite a stretch though--it's probably not very helpful to see another Hitler in every government which engages in some amount of cutting its citizens off from the rest of the world; we should keep enough perspective to be able to analyze these dilemmas relative to the big picture. Which includes major human rights violations to be sure, but that's pretty far from genocide and besides, many aspects of China's human services, such as healthcare, have actually deteriorated atrociously since the advent of capitalism.
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"So where do we fight this battle?"
I don't know if it's our battle to fight. Like VertigoGal said, it's up to the Chinese to demand it's own freedoms. All we can do is support those actions.

Denying them a search engine surely isn't going to help...
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I don't know if it's our battle to fight. Like VertigoGal said, it's up to the Chinese to demand it's own freedoms. All we can do is support those actions.

Denying them a search engine surely isn't going to help...


It is our battle, if we believe in freedom for all people.


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Though to be fair to iron horse, that doesn't really constitute an adequate answer to the ethical questions involved in extending the benefits of ICTs to authoritarian governments, particularly where profits are involved.
Yes...but at the same time, it's not like they're selling the Chinese army/police deadly weapons. The censorship may not directly advance their freedom but it's not a threat to it and any form of internet can only help in the long run, imo.

ps- I think we should have a doomsday thread on how the American middle class is rapidly deteriorating and any remnants of democracy will soon follow plunging us into a dark age.
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Yes...but at the same time, it's not like they're selling the Chinese army/police deadly weapons. The censorship may not directly advance their freedom but it's not a threat to it and any form of internet can only help in the long run, imo.

ps- I think we should have a doomsday thread on how the American middle class is rapidly deteriorating and any remnants of democracy will soon follow plunging us into a dark age.


One thought, VertigoGal, it is scary how we seem to be so willing to jump into the brave new world.
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