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Old 07-28-2009, 02:33 PM   #741
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But that's just insulting! Has any other president had to prove to the Supreme Court he was born in the US? No, just the one named Barack Hussein Obama.

The Daily Show of course had a great take on the matter: Video at the bottom of the Gawker post.
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Old 07-28-2009, 02:44 PM   #742
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The "Birthers" will never let it go. Seriously, at least Obama was rightfully elected unlike the shrub.
Just like you sore losers will never let that go. Both times?
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Fox Host Glenn Beck: Obama Is A "Racist" (VIDEO)

This morning on Fox and Friends, Fox host Glenn Beck accused President Obama of being "a racist."

The group was discussing the recent Gates controversy, and Beck exclaimed that Obama has "over and over again" exposed himself as "a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture. I don't know what it is..."

When Fox's Brian Kilmeade pointed out that many people in Obama's administration are white, so "you can't say he doesn't like white people," Beck pressed on. "I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem," Beck said. "This guy is, I believe, a racist."
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hatred for white people or the white culture..
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What is "white culture" anyway?
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besides an oxy-moron ?

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Is that an old pic of diamond?
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What is "white culture" anyway?

Less murderous?
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Wow

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Why Won’t Obama Talk to Israelis?

by Aluf Benn
New York Times, July 27



In his global tours and TV appearances, President Obama has spoken to Arabs, Muslims, Iranians, Western Europeans, Eastern Europeans, Russians and Africans. His words have stirred emotions and been well received everywhere. But he hasn’t bothered to speak directly to Israelis.

And the effect? Six months into his presidency, Israelis find themselves increasingly suspicious of Mr. Obama. All they see is American pressure on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to freeze settlements, a request that’s been interpreted here as political arm-twisting meant to please the Arab street at Israel’s expense—or simply to express the president’s dislike for Mr. Netanyahu. This would seem counterproductive, given the importance the president has placed on resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. If Israel is part of the problem, it’s also part of the solution. Yet so far, neither the president nor any senior administration official has given a speech or an interview aimed at an Israeli audience, beyond brief statements made at diplomatic photo ops.

...As a result, Mr. Netanyahu enjoys a virtual domestic consensus over his rejection of the settlement freeze. Moreover, he has succeeded in portraying Mr. Obama as a shaky ally. In Mr. Netanyahu’s narrative, the president has fallen under the influence of top aides—in this case Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod—whom the prime minister has called “self-hating Jews.” Meanwhile, Mr. Netanyahu is the defender of national glory in face of unfair pressure, someone who sticks to the first commandment of Israeli culture: thou shalt never be the freier (that is, the dupe).

So far, Israelis have embraced Mr. Netanyahu’s message. A Jerusalem Post poll of Israeli Jews last month indicated that only 6% of those surveyed considered the Obama administration to be pro-Israel, while 50% said that its policies are more pro-Palestinian than pro-Israeli. Less scientifically: Israeli rightists have—in columns, articles and public statements—taken to calling the president by his middle name, Hussein, as proof of his pro-Arab tendencies.

What went wrong? Several explanations come to mind.

First, in the 16 rosy years of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, Israelis became spoiled by unfettered presidential attention. Memories of State Department “Arabists” leading American policy in the Middle East were erased. The White House coordinated its policy with Jerusalem, and stayed out of the way when Israel embarked on controversial military offensives in Lebanon and Gaza. This approach infuriated America’s Arab and European allies, which blamed Washington for one-sidedness—something they were willing to forgive of Bill Clinton but not of George W. Bush. Mr. Obama came to office determined to repair America’s broken alliances in Europe and the Middle East. One way to do this—to prove that he was the opposite of his predecessor—was to place some distance between Israel and himself.

Second, Mr. Obama’s quest for diplomacy has appeared to Israelis as dangerous American naïveté. The president offered a hand to the Iranians, and got nothing, merely giving them more time to advance their nuclear program. In Israeli eyes, he was humiliated by North Korea’s nuclear and missile tests. And he failed to move Arab governments to take steps to normalize relations with Israel. Conclusion: Mr. Obama is a softie, eager to please his listeners and avoid confrontation with anyone who is not Mr. Netanyahu.

Third, Mr. Obama seems to have confused American Jews with Israelis. We are close emotionally and politically, but we are different. We speak Hebrew and not English, we live in the Middle East and have separate historical narratives. Mr. Obama’s stop at Buchenwald and his strong rejection of Holocaust denial, immediately after his Cairo speech, appealed to American Jews but fell flat in Israel. Here we are taught that Zionist determination and struggle—not guilt over the Holocaust—brought Jews a homeland. Mr. Obama’s speech, which linked Israel’s existence to the Jewish tragedy, infuriated many Israelis who sensed its closeness to the narrative of enemies like Mahmoud Ahmedinejad.

Fourth, as far as most Israelis are concerned, Mr. Obama has made a mistake in focusing on a settlement freeze. For starters, mainstream Israelis rarely have anything to do with the settlements; many have no idea where they are, even when they’re a half-hour’s drive from Tel Aviv.
More important: in the past decade, repeated peace negotiations and diplomatic statements have indicated that larger, closer-to-home settlements (the “settlement blocs”) will remain in Israeli hands under any two-state solution. Why, then, insist on a total freeze everywhere? And why deny with such force—as the administration did—the existence of previous understandings between the United States and Israel over limited settlement construction? There is simply too much evidence proving that such an understanding existed. To Israelis, the claim undermined Mr. Obama’s credibility—and strengthened Mr. Netanyahu’s position.

Perhaps there are good reasons behind Mr. Obama’s Middle East policy. Perhaps the settlement freeze is in Israel’s best interest. Perhaps the president is truly committed to Israel’s long-term security and well-being. Perhaps his popularity in the Arab street is the missing ingredient of peacemaking. But until the president talks to us, we won’t know. Next time you’re in the neighborhood, Mr. President, speak to us directly. We will surely listen.


Aluf Benn is the editor at large of the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz.
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Wow

We have a card carrying member here folks...
Oh I know, it's the fault of poverty and hard times. Debt is out there pulling the trigger every day. I'm not racist though, sorry. I hate people for much deeper reasons.
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Why Won’t Obama Talk to Israelis?
The cynical side of me would say that particularly after Gaza and with recent events in Iran, the US government has not been able to convince the public that direct confrontation with Iran is necessary. If the 'foreign aid' cheques are still clearing, I'd say this is Obama setting the stage for Netanyahu to claim they don't have US support and must take matters into their own hands.

The more optimistic side of me would like to believe Obama, backed by US public sentiment, is supportive of a true two-state solution and won't engage Netanyahu until there is some willingness to consider the settlement freeze.
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I sort of see things the way AliEnvy does.

But it is hard to say because Israel has been so coddled by past U.S. administrations to the point where they take certain American stances and behaviours for granted. Obama seems not to be playing that game.
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Oh I know, it's the fault of poverty and hard times. Debt is out there pulling the trigger every day.
No, it's their skin color pulling the trigger, you're right...

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I'm not racist though, sorry.
I think you proved otherwise.
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mmm... we probably should be focusing more on the outrageous spending and economic issues, rather than non-issues, like this race bullshit.
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But haven't you heard? The recession is over! Obama's a genius!
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But haven't you heard? The recession is over! Obama's a genius!
Obama never said the recession is over. Only newsweek magazine said it, and they got crap from the obama administration for saying it.

I do think we will see a better/ pretty stable economy by October.
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But haven't you heard? The recession is over! Obama's a genius!
I don't think anyone expected the hole that eight years of Bush put the US in, the worst economic times since the 1930s, to be over so soon. It's going to take time.

Makes me laugh now to see all this blamed on Obama. People seem to have very short memories, like they've forgotten who got them there in the first place.
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Or unemployment will have ticked up by another percent or two by October.
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Or unemployment will have ticked up by another percent or two by October.
Then we'll just get another stimulus to make everything better. After all, Obama warned that without the first stimulus, unemployment might rise above 8%. Look at how accurate and smart this man is. It's breath-taking.
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