Go Obama! - Page 18

mobvok · 05-05-2009, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by anitram

I wrote a paper that dealt with this in passing once.

It was more about whether the US method of citizenship-based taxation (which is found nowhere else in the world aside from such bastions of capitalism as Eritrea and North Korea) is still justified in this day and age. But I did do quite a bit of research on enforcement of taxation on overseas income of citizens. Particularly sticky are cases of individuals that no longer reside in the US.

There's gotta be a comprehensive list of "things impoverished 3rd world countries, miserable dictatorships, and the United States" do, somewhere on the internet.

AchtungBono · 05-06-2009, 07:41 AM

(without reading the other replies)

I don't quite know yet what to make of him.

It appears to me that he's trying to desparately to wipe out the past 8 years of the previous administration and he's not really thinking all of his new policies through to the end.

For instance, I can't understand why he would release top-secret memos that would ultimately endanger the lives of agents around the world, not to mention revealing interrogation techniques to America's enemies, and yet he won't release the pictures of the Air Force One flyover over Manhattan - an act which was truly a MORONIC thing to do.

I just don't know.......one can only hope that he knows what he's doing - for ALL of our sakes.

BVS · 05-06-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AchtungBono

It appears to me that he's trying to desparately to wipe out the past 8 years of the previous administration

This would be a good thing

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Originally Posted by AchtungBono

and he's not really thinking all of his new policies through to the end.

You mean like starting two back to back wars without end at sight? Oh no, he wouldn't be that stupid. I don't think Bush supporters especially those as vocal as you have any room to talk about thinking things through to the end.

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Originally Posted by AchtungBono

For instance, I can't understand why he would release top-secret memos that would ultimately endanger the lives of agents around the world, not to mention revealing interrogation techniques to America's enemies, and yet he won't release the pictures of the Air Force One flyover over Manhattan - an act which was truly a MORONIC thing to do.

How exactly does it put agents in danger?

Vincent Vega · 05-06-2009, 10:29 AM

It's really a myth that the enemies of the US would need to turn to the memos to learn about torture techniques. There's really nothing they don't already know, or would not learn about if it wasn't for the memos.
And I doubt that the release of these memos puts these agents at any greater risk than they already are.

Irvine511 · 05-06-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AchtungBono

For instance, I can't understand why he would release top-secret memos that would ultimately endanger the lives of agents around the world, not to mention revealing interrogation techniques to America's enemies, and yet he won't release the pictures of the Air Force One flyover over Manhattan - an act which was truly a MORONIC thing to do.

other than the use of insects, every last "technique" in the torture memos was general knowledge to anyone who was paying attention to the issues -- i've been posting about waterboarding in here since 2007. so the idea that suddenly "they" know our "secrets" doesn't hold much water.

i do agree that the AFO flyover was stupid.

BVS · 05-06-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincent Vega

It's really a myth that the enemies of the US would need to turn to the memos to learn about torture techniques. There's really nothing they don't already know, or would not learn about if it wasn't for the memos.
And I doubt that the release of these memos puts these agents at any greater risk than they already are.

Exactly...

Salome · 05-06-2009, 01:37 PM

yeah, I reckon you can find sadistic butchers on every side

yolland · 05-07-2009, 12:49 AM

Obama is Spock: It's quite logical | Salon

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In a September 2008 broadcast of the popular NPR show "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me," guest Leonard Nimoy recalled a recent encounter with a fan.

"About a year and a half ago, I was at a political event," Nimoy recalled. "One of our current campaigners for the office of president of the United States saw me--and as he approached, he gave me the Vulcan hand signal."

You can practically hear Nimoy's eyebrow raise. "It was not John McCain."

His manner of speaking isn't so unlike Nimoy's, come to think of it...

MrsSpringsteen · 05-07-2009, 01:03 PM

^^^Somewhere there must be an e-mail floating around about that

diamond will probably let us know

Irvine511 · 05-07-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by yolland

His manner of speaking isn't so unlike Nimoy's, come to think of it...

i'm not in any way a Trekkie -- sure, i enjoyed Kahn and the whales as much as anyone, but that's about it -- but word is that the new Star Trek movie is thrilling. might go see it this weekend.

Earnie Shavers · 05-07-2009, 06:08 PM

Holy shit, they've finally, completely, 100% lost it...

Hannity Attacks Obama For Putting Mustard On His Burger [UPDATED]

anitram · 05-07-2009, 06:18 PM

Republican party leader Rush also had an intelligent comment to add:

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The president makes $400,000 a year. Now, according to Kelly O'Donnell, he's been hoarding his money. But now he felt like maybe the economy was coming back enough that he could leave the White House and the $100-a-pound Kobe beef, and go out and get a burger with Plugs Biden at a burger joint? And this is a sign the economy's coming back? This makes me want to puke. This makes me want to throw up.

(They went to a burger joint where burgers go for 7 bucks, for those who like truthiness)

Vincent Vega · 05-07-2009, 06:38 PM

Is it only in Germany where McDonald's puts mustard on the hamburgers? Or is the dijon mustard (jammy) the issue?

anitram · 05-07-2009, 06:45 PM

Yes, it's the fanciness of the $1.79 Dijon mustard that offends Hannity.

yolland · 05-07-2009, 06:48 PM

Eh, Hannity didn't seem offended to me in the clip. There was a mildly snotty, needling undertone to it, but he didn't act shocked.

Irvine511 · 05-07-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by anitram

(They went to a burger joint where burgers go for 7 bucks, for those who like truthiness)

it's also, by far, the best burger joint in the DC-area. Ray's Hellburger is the hamburger-only spin-off restaurant of Ray's The Steaks, where you can get an amazing steak, and both are less than a 15 minute walk from my house.

no reservations accepted at either, and people happily wait an hour or more for a table.

because they're elitists.

Irvine511 · 05-07-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincent Vega

Is it only in Germany where McDonald's puts mustard on the hamburgers? Or is the dijon mustard (jammy) the issue?

it's French.

and French = uppity.

zooropop40 · 05-07-2009, 07:05 PM

rush limbaugh =

like seriously, dont they have better things to talk about than Obama eating a burger? like has Rush ever made some good points about policy with legitimate arguments to back it up and intelligent statements without personally attacking anyone? ... I havent heard any at least.

and the way that between him and hannity that "liberal" is like some sort of swear word. They talk about liberals almost like the way the nazi's talked about the Jews. It is a different point of view, not a curse word or insult.

they seem to believe that anyone who has a difference of opinion or another view point is instantly a bad person. if they opened up their minds to what other people thought and had to say, they might learn something. I learn a lot from both conservatives and liberal, and I try to treat both sides with RESPECT no matter how much I disagree with their point of view.

yolland · 05-07-2009, 07:07 PM

I guess Grey Poupon dug their own grave marketing themselves that way, huh? At least in terms of what it's apparently now PC for public figures to admit to eating. But that was in the 80s, when it was cool to be a haughty rich guy...

zooropop40 · 05-07-2009, 07:09 PM

case in point about using "liberal" as a degrading swear word :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3rqN...eature=related

its like a conservative propaganda rally, I dont think Hannity said anything intelligent with any base at all in this whole video.

05-06-2009, 07:41 AM	#342
AchtungBono Refugee Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tel-Aviv, Israel Posts: 1,300 Local Time: 01:19 PM	(without reading the other replies) I don't quite know yet what to make of him. It appears to me that he's trying to desparately to wipe out the past 8 years of the previous administration and he's not really thinking all of his new policies through to the end. For instance, I can't understand why he would release top-secret memos that would ultimately endanger the lives of agents around the world, not to mention revealing interrogation techniques to America's enemies, and yet he won't release the pictures of the Air Force One flyover over Manhattan - an act which was truly a MORONIC thing to do. I just don't know.......one can only hope that he knows what he's doing - for ALL of our sakes. __________________

05-06-2009, 01:37 PM	#347
Salome you are what you is Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Netherlands Posts: 22,062 Local Time: 02:19 PM	yeah, I reckon you can find sadistic butchers on every side __________________ “Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.” ~Frank Zappa

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05-06-2009, 10:29 AM	#344
Vincent Vega Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 6,745 Local Time: 02:19 PM	It's really a myth that the enemies of the US would need to turn to the memos to learn about torture techniques. There's really nothing they don't already know, or would not learn about if it wasn't for the memos. And I doubt that the release of these memos puts these agents at any greater risk than they already are.

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MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,459 Local Time: 08:19 AM	^^^Somewhere there must be an e-mail floating around about that diamond will probably let us know

05-07-2009, 06:08 PM	#351
Earnie Shavers Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London/Sydney Posts: 6,609 Local Time: 01:19 PM	Holy shit, they've finally, completely, 100% lost it... Hannity Attacks Obama For Putting Mustard On His Burger [UPDATED]

05-07-2009, 06:38 PM	#353
Vincent Vega Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 6,745 Local Time: 02:19 PM	Is it only in Germany where McDonald's puts mustard on the hamburgers? Or is the dijon mustard (jammy) the issue?

05-07-2009, 06:45 PM	#354
anitram Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NY Posts: 18,918 Local Time: 09:19 AM	Yes, it's the fanciness of the $1.79 Dijon mustard that offends Hannity.

05-07-2009, 06:48 PM	#355
yolland Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,471 Local Time: 02:19 PM	Eh, Hannity didn't seem offended to me in the clip. There was a mildly snotty, needling undertone to it, but he didn't act shocked.

05-07-2009, 07:05 PM	#358
zooropop40 Refugee Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Interference is called Interference because it interferes on my ability to live a normal life... Posts: 1,583 Local Time: 08:19 AM	rush limbaugh = like seriously, dont they have better things to talk about than Obama eating a burger? like has Rush ever made some good points about policy with legitimate arguments to back it up and intelligent statements without personally attacking anyone? ... I havent heard any at least. and the way that between him and hannity that "liberal" is like some sort of swear word. They talk about liberals almost like the way the nazi's talked about the Jews. It is a different point of view, not a curse word or insult. they seem to believe that anyone who has a difference of opinion or another view point is instantly a bad person. if they opened up their minds to what other people thought and had to say, they might learn something. I learn a lot from both conservatives and liberal, and I try to treat both sides with RESPECT no matter how much I disagree with their point of view.

05-07-2009, 07:07 PM	#359
yolland Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,471 Local Time: 02:19 PM	I guess Grey Poupon dug their own grave marketing themselves that way, huh? At least in terms of what it's apparently now PC for public figures to admit to eating. But that was in the 80s, when it was cool to be a haughty rich guy...