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Old 07-08-2020, 08:25 PM   #521
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At least I know my state is doing something about it. Can't speak for the others.

Probably should ignore the numbers for a while until the changes we've enacted can realistically show an effect, otherwise I'll just get annoyed and impatient.
This is a good point - you have individual states that have reasonable leadership and plans. The issue is that there is no practical way of closing state borders and the good work can be extremely easily done away with due to travel.

Can you imagine what happens at Thanksgiving + Christmas? Beginning of influenza season, most of the country will be spending the majority of its time indoors, people attending large family/friends gatherings where you sit and eat in close quarters. It's bad enough to contemplate that scenario when the infection rate is relatively low/under control. But now imagine people traveling all over the country, many if not most from places which don't appear to give a shit about curbing the spread? It's infuriating.
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What are the odds that doucheykins attempts to force out a vaccine a few months before final approval in, oh I don't know, late October?
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This is a good point - you have individual states that have reasonable leadership and plans. The issue is that there is no practical way of closing state borders and the good work can be extremely easily done away with due to travel.

Can you imagine what happens at Thanksgiving + Christmas? Beginning of influenza season, most of the country will be spending the majority of its time indoors, people attending large family/friends gatherings where you sit and eat in close quarters. It's bad enough to contemplate that scenario when the infection rate is relatively low/under control. But now imagine people traveling all over the country, many if not most from places which don't appear to give a shit about curbing the spread? It's infuriating.
Well, I'm hoping that by the holiday season, kinase inhibitors and/or monoclonal antibody treatments will become the norm and take the sting out of the pandemic. These are in stage 3 trials and require a shorter time frame to prove efficacy than a vaccine would.

I'm more concerned about what the school year will bring. We know so little about the manner in which children transfer this virus and reopening schools is not simply an issue of education. These kids have no one to watch them during the day and many rely on school lunches to subsist with limited resources.
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What are the odds that doucheykins attempts to force out a vaccine a few months before final approval in, oh I don't know, late October?
95%

They're going to do it in Brazil first though, as soon as Bolsonaro AKA Mini Trump starts to panic. Which should be soon.
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One of my biggest fears with this pandemic is for Trump Admin and government to push an unsafe vaccine.

They already did it with their super drug hydrochloq Which killed people, a lot of vets

And people will take it. They drank bleach
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I wouldn't worry about an unsafe one as much as I would about one that's not particularly effective (think of influenza seasons where the vaccine was not a particularly good match), which then makes the hordes already opposed to vaccines and micro chipping and whatever other nonsense even more hardened to getting the next version or worse yet, their numbers growing because other people become convinced that these vaccines are a waste of time (except for their ability to track you anywhere you go).
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They're going to do it in Brazil first though, as soon as Bolsonaro AKA Mini Trump starts to panic. Which should be soon.
Bolsonaro is not facing electoral scrutiny for a few years, and has just reshuffled his cabinet to accommodate a bunch of centrist parties in order to remove any threat of impeachment. So he won't do it for political survival. Plus, he will in all likelihood survive his bout with coronavirus and become even more empowered about how "it's just like the flu" while praising the use of chloroquine. So no, thankfully I don't think he is under pressure to unleash a rushed vaccine and use my compatriots as guinea pigs. He will fuck up in many different ways, though.
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Having seen this story in NYC, it's infuriating to read about the lack of PPE in Texas, Arizona and Florida 3 months later.
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I feel extra bad in particular for parents who can't work at home, and may have trouble affording childcare. I feel the same for the teachers, School staff, and the kids. Right now I don't reckon this can really be done safely.

I'd be thrilled if it does! But with way some stat s are now?
I've heard a bit of suggestion that teachers strike if they don', feel safe for themselves, and their students. I think I'd support that.

The stupidity, wilful ingnorance, and malignant narcissisim of drump and Co are at like 87° heading off the charts.
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Bolsonaro is not facing electoral scrutiny for a few years, and has just reshuffled his cabinet to accommodate a bunch of centrist parties in order to remove any threat of impeachment. So he won't do it for political survival. Plus, he will in all likelihood survive his bout with coronavirus and become even more empowered about how "it's just like the flu" while praising the use of chloroquine. So no, thankfully I don't think he is under pressure to unleash a rushed vaccine and use my compatriots as guinea pigs. He will fuck up in many different ways, though.
I hope you're right. Because the last thing any country needs is a reason to doubt their medical experts, who seem to have no platform in Brazil. Shit, at least we know to ask where they're hiding Dr. Fauci.
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I hope you're right. Because the last thing any country needs is a reason to doubt their medical experts, who seem to have no platform in Brazil. Shit, at least we know to ask where they're hiding Dr. Fauci.
Oh, don't get me wrong. Bolsonaro will doubt the country's medical experts every step of the way. I just don't think it's likely that he'll go the "early vaccine" route for the reasons I mentioned. And his leverage over the pharmaceutical industry is just not as strong as Trump's, so I doubt any pharmaceutical company researching the vaccine will be rushed by him.
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And occasionally Dr Fauci has gone on Public Radio.
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Just take a moment to let it sink in that America has failed where LITERALLY EVERY OTHER comparable Western nation and a good number of developing nations have succeeded. And not only failed spectacularly but appears to have exactly zero hope of improving current circumstances.
But hey, "America #1", right, Trump supporters?

This is deeply embarrassing and shameful. This is America's big, "You need a huge dose of humility" moment.

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Plus, he will in all likelihood survive his bout with coronavirus and become even more empowered about how "it's just like the flu" while praising the use of chloroquine.
I know how this sounds and all, but it's really hard to sit here and think about the fact that a whole bunch of totally innocent people have died from this virus, yet assholes like him and people connected to Trump and Pence and so forth who get it, people who are openly complicit in causing so many of those deaths, I might add, are able to recover from the virus and move on like it's nothing.
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Just take a moment to let it sink in that America has failed where LITERALLY EVERY OTHER comparable Western nation and a good number of developing nations have succeeded. And not only failed spectacularly but appears to have exactly zero hope of improving current circumstances.

The UK have fucked it big time too.


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They're going to do it in Brazil first though, as soon as Bolsonaro AKA Mini Trump starts to panic. Which should be soon.

It's more so the other way round, Bolsonaro is a rung above Trump in the dipshit stakes and seems to have had a more consistently concrete ideology.
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The UK have fucked it big time too.
Yes, but the difference is that they admitted that they fucked it up and reversed course.
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By the numbers, the UK is still in Europe. Hah.
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Hashtag not a second wave
Hashtag it’s a forest fire and we failed to put it out
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Florida reporting in with a single day record 120 deaths, but keep telling us the death rate is "low and steady" Pence. That is until the lag swims up and bites you on the ass.
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