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Old 05-23-2020, 07:07 AM   #181
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And here I thought nobody was going to go out ever again.
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@LuckyNumber7 I am personally and very painfully aware that doctors aren't infallible. It's really not something to make an argument about-you do what's comfortable for you, I do what's comfortable for me.

I wouldn't use the soda dispenser because 1 I don't drink the stuff and 2 because of germs, any germs not just covid. And that decision is mine, not based on doctors on CNN. I'm well aware of CNN's panic porn and agendas, don't need to be told.

Right now I don't want to use a public bathroom or do certain other things, and the decisions are based on my personal comfort level. This was about the Vice President, who has an in your face screw it attitude about wearing a mask and all the other precautions. Because he has to kiss orange ass.


I’m not knocking you for being cautious and I don’t think that’s the wrong thing to do. Avoiding anything that other people interact with is probably a good precautionary measure. I also never said you “needed to be told” anything. You said a doctor was on cnn calling sofa fountains “rona dispensers.” I feel an obligation to voice disagreement because fake news is fake news and it doesn’t matter who says it.

We know the vice president’s game. He walked into a hospital without a mask. It was stupid and disgraceful. He got appropriately criticized. So now he plays a similar card and people jump on it. And now he has fuel to disregard criticism as “the left just criticizing everything I do.” Classical Trump play. When the opposition is making the same sound over different things, it is fodder for their fire.

If you’re not condemning misinformation and disproportionate criticism from the left, you’re justifying or allowing the misinformation from the right. And all crimes become equal. And when all crimes are equal, and one crime is illegitimate, they’re all illegitimate.
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Old 05-23-2020, 08:47 AM   #183
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And here I thought nobody was going to go out ever again.


I did think it would be a little less than i saw last night haha.

If infections do rise again to point of closing doors i have no idea what that’ll do to people’s mindset.

I went in for take out and felt really uncomfortable seeing so many people. It was like nothing had changed. Only difference was those of us popping in with face masks to grab our food
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This seems bad....

We halted travel from China and Europe. Why not Brazil + South America ??
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And here I thought nobody was going to go out ever again.
I don't understand why it has to be an all-or-nothing proposition?

You open 100% as before and let people ram in shoulder-to-shoulder in sweaty bars and in a few weeks you'll have an epicentre like NYC at which point EVERYTHING will be shut down for months and revenues will be exactly zero. We have seen this happen - look at South Korea, which has been maybe the most exemplary nation in combating this. They opened up night clubs, almost immediately had super spreaders and shut everything down again.

These bars and restaurants can open in a reasonable manner - certainly less than 100% capacity, but enough to give people some options to go out and give their employees at least some hours back. Operating at 50-70% capacity continuously is a hell of a lot better than operating at 0% capacity for 4 months and then reopening to maybe 50% at best.
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Bars should be the last thing to re-open IMO. Even the well-intentioned will stop being careful once they've had a few drinks.
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A few bars in Pacific Beach opened and they crammed them all in. They are shut down later in the day.

Some business will follow the rules and others will risk it to try and make more $$.

Other countries have been able to open up at limiting capacity, so it SHOULD work here.

But Americans and freedom and all
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I don't understand why it has to be an all-or-nothing proposition?



You open 100% as before and let people ram in shoulder-to-shoulder in sweaty bars and in a few weeks you'll have an epicentre like NYC at which point EVERYTHING will be shut down for months and revenues will be exactly zero. We have seen this happen - look at South Korea, which has been maybe the most exemplary nation in combating this. They opened up night clubs, almost immediately had super spreaders and shut everything down again.



These bars and restaurants can open in a reasonable manner - certainly less than 100% capacity, but enough to give people some options to go out and give their employees at least some hours back. Operating at 50-70% capacity continuously is a hell of a lot better than operating at 0% capacity for 4 months and then reopening to maybe 50% at best.
Oh I'm not arguing against safeguards. I just thought people were going to be too frightened to ever touch anything again and work from home for all eternity.
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That Mexican drug money isn't gonna launder itself people
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Wow! (not the info which I know ) -
but showing the way the NYT is presenting it.

Since my immediate neighborhood doesn't carry it - I might not have seen it.
Thank you.
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A number of US states are now heading in the wrong direction, and some of them aggressively so.

Primarily: Minnesota, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Alabama, Mississippi, California, Georgia, Florida, Virginia, Colorado & Ohio ticking back up, Maryland. A lot of these never even started to improve, they reopened and are going down the tubes.
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But it’s just the flu! Masks are mind control!!

We won’t actually see a second wave because we never get out of the first one.

California numbers have increased too. And after this holiday weekend i expect in 10 Days we may have some issues. Bars and restaurants opened and people are back to their “normal” ways.

I’ll say that it makes me feel a little down and i guess envious. Am i being an alarmist by staying in 90% of the time? That 10% being grocery store runs or walks on the beaches ?

The mindset that this isn’t a big deal boggles
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I’ll say that it makes me feel a little down and i guess envious. Am i being an alarmist by staying in 90% of the time? That 10% being grocery store runs or walks on the beaches ?
It makes me feel like we're idiots while they're out there enjoying life.

But I have young kids and don't like the sound of the Kawasaki thing at all. Plus my daughter was a preemie and while she doesn't have lingering issues at 2 years old, I am always cognizant that her immune system is not totally on par. I actually really want her to get the antibody testing because she came down with pneumonia in late February, after 6 days of fever/cough and at the time the only question we had been asked is whether she'd been to China recently.

I also have elderly parents and in-laws and don't want to spread it to them.

And then there is the nightmare scenario of getting it and becoming seriously ill. If my husband or I end up in the hospital, or God forbid both of us, who will take care of our young kids? Especially if they themselves are ill? And what happens if it takes weeks for us to recover or have lingering respiratory effects? We are self-sufficient now and I don't want to be anyone's burden.
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And the GOP in WI tried to screw them over with mail ballots as well.

I’m making no assumptions that mail voting will be a thing for November
I'm sorry, if you think in-person ballots are any safer, you're kidding yourself. The GOP has already flipped a presidential election on in-person ballots, just 20 years ago! Let's not get into a "we need to risk the spread of a pandemic because the GOP is five chess moves ahead of us once again" situation here.
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A number of US states are now heading in the wrong direction, and some of them aggressively so.

Primarily: Minnesota, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Alabama, Mississippi, California, Georgia, Florida, Virginia, Colorado & Ohio ticking back up, Maryland. A lot of these never even started to improve, they reopened and are going down the tubes.
My state (Pennsylvania) is moving to start to open things back up in two weeks, and it feels very early to me. We've actually been pretty responsible to this point (aside from our horrific handling of nursing homes, which was a direct result of following the path of Andrew Cuomo and New York state), which makes this particularly disappointing. The Philadelphia area is simply not in a safe place yet; the five counties of the city are the five highest per capita in the state, and need to slow our roll. The announcement that we were preparing to move to "yellow" phase from "red" directly resulted in more people walking around downtown without masks. All skepticism factored in, people are still listening to orders. And this was a clear indication that we are supposed to think we're moving in the right direction. Which could not be further from the truth. We kind of flattened the curve, that's all.
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I wish this hadn't been so politicized as to be an all or nothing thing. I personally don't think anyone should be going to a beach or bar with a bunch of randos right now. But hanging out with a few family or friends who you know to be generally healthy and responsible is probably fine.
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A number of US states are now heading in the wrong direction, and some of them aggressively so.

Primarily: Minnesota, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Alabama, Mississippi, California, Georgia, Florida, Virginia, Colorado & Ohio ticking back up, Maryland. A lot of these never even started to improve, they reopened and are going down the tubes.
California is not ticking back up. We had a 10% drop in new cases the week before last and the r0 dropped below 1 in LA for the first time this week. Our hospitalizations also are at their lowest since March.

There might have been a small superficial increase in positives this week because we're churning out 50k tests a day instead of 30k, but our percent of positive tests today was barely 3%.
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California is not ticking back up. We had a 10% drop in new cases the week before last and the r0 dropped below 1 in LA for the first time this week. Our hospitalizations also are at their lowest since March.

There might have been a small superficial increase in positives this week because we're churning out 50k tests a day instead of 30k, but our percent of positive tests today was barely 3%.
So much of this is in how people report and interpret numbers.
Positive cases will jump when test amounts jump, but some outlets (CNN chief among them) will only report the number of cases and portray it as purely negative.
We have to look at the entire picture as you say to really know how things are going in a state.
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