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Old 05-07-2020, 02:23 PM   #901
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Trump's valet has tested positive. Hope he's ok, but on a much lighter note can you imagine being Trump's valet?
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but on a much lighter note can you imagine being Trump's valet?
"Higgins, can you put a fresh pair of bikini briefs on me, I have an interview with that reporter from OAN in a half hour."
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Snedley, please fetch my long tie. No not that one, Snedley... The long one. And a Diet Coke. Chop chop, Snedley.
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How are these two not in jail?

She Said Anthony Fauci Sexually Assaulted Her. Now She Says Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman Paid Her to Lie.

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"Let me tell you something, Diana," says Burkman. "This guy shut the country down. He put 40 million people out of work. In a situation like that, you have to make up whatever you have to make up to stop that train and that's the way life works, OK? That's the way it goes."

Andrade counters that he and Wohl are not taking COVID-19 seriously. "It's not just any virus. I mean, it's a huge deal….I think you guys think it's something made up, and it's not."

"Mother Nature has to clean the barn every so often," Burkman counters. "How real is it? Who knows? So what if 1 percent of the population goes? So what if you lose 400,000 people? Two hundred thousand were elderly, the other 200,000 are the bottom of society. You got to clean out the barn. If it's real, it's a positive thing, for God's sake."

"So, what? Survival of the fittest?" Andrade asks, a bit more pique in her voice. (The sense you are dealing with people who have an enthusiasm for eugenics can do that.) But Wohl's not having it.

"Diana, look, can you just do this for me?" he says. "Can you just keep your mouth shut and just…just do it for me."
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The WH valets don't wear masks. CNN is reporting that Trump is privately questioning if he should be seen wearing a mask, because he thinks that contradicts his reopening message.

That's today's episode of When A Gaslighter Is Confused By His Own Gaslighting
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One angle not being talked about. If the ACA eventually gets dropped, will insurance cover you if you caught the virus ?

You cannot join the military if you test positive, so would this turn into a pre existing condition ?
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This bit from that quoted section anitram shared...

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"Mother Nature has to clean the barn every so often," Burkman counters. "How real is it? Who knows? So what if 1 percent of the population goes? So what if you lose 400,000 people? Two hundred thousand were elderly, the other 200,000 are the bottom of society. You got to clean out the barn. If it's real, it's a positive thing, for God's sake."
The "pro-life" Christian party, everyone.

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The WH valets don't wear masks. CNN is reporting that Trump is privately questioning if he should be seen wearing a mask, because he thinks that contradicts his reopening message.

That's today's episode of When A Gaslighter Is Confused By His Own Gaslighting
The stupid, it burns.

I want Trump to wear a mask simply because it'll muffle his obnoxious voice somewhat.
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Old 05-07-2020, 05:59 PM   #908
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CNN reported that everyone who enters the Oval Office removes their masks. Apparently Trump is tested daily, and doesn't even want to see masks on other people?

Yes it's difficult to understand what people are saying when they're wearing a mask. But I doubt Trump is even listening.
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Looks like we're back to gatherings of up to 10 people on Monday folks.

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Apparently Trump is tested daily, and doesn't even want to see masks on other people?
Apparently his reason for not wearing a mask is that he's afraid he'd look ridiculous in one.

Yeah.

Please, please, universe, let karma come back and bite him so goddamn hard somehow. Please.

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Yes it's difficult to understand what people are saying when they're wearing a mask. But I doubt Trump is even listening.
And, I mean, we live in an era where you don't have to actually speak to get your thoughts across. Lord knows he tweets often enough, just keep doing that if he desperately wants to continue putting his shitty thoughts out there.
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Looks like we're back to gatherings of up to 10 people on Monday folks.

Crowdless footy soon pls
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Anyone else actually feeling less optimistic? I’ve been feeling the dread creeping in more and more as this thing doesn’t seem to be getting better fast enough. I now have friends with dead parents because of COVID.
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I haven't felt optimistic throughout this whole crisis and I sure as hell don't now things are reopening, simply because, well, look at the idiots in charge. If anything is giving me any kind of hope, it's the responsible, mature, intelligent governors out there actually doing their jobs and the medical experts and professionals who are working hard to try and get some treatments and an eventual vaccine out there. They're the reason any of us might be able to make it through this crisis at all.
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Certainly not less optimistic. There's a very obvious decline in fatalities going on worldwide:

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And that's with cases on the increase throughout the world. I think there are substantive changes taking place within the virus itself and our approach to treatment that will cause this trend to continue. It's apparent in the US as well, albeit less so:

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It's easy to get depressed when good news isn't being reported in many major outlets. Recoveries may as well not be happening. It would take the virus completely disappearing for CNN to squeeze out a reassuring word. The LA Times claimed two days ago that "our first piece of good news" came in the form of an announcement that we're reopening slightly. Are you fucking kidding me? What an insult to the excellent work our hospitals, virologists and citizens have done to get the r0 down from 1.2 to nearly 0.8 in a matter of weeks.

There is very real, meaningful good news and progress happening every day.
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In Russia, three doctors who criticized the country's handling of the virus fell out of windows and it appears that more people are starting to wonder why so many of Putin's critics or enemies seem to have such problems with their balance when near windows.
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I'll make an addendum to my last post. More of a bonus rant, really. Just what we all needed.

I don't begrudge anyone for engaging in pessimism right now. I almost killed myself in March because of what I was seeing around me. The sick and the well suffer in different ways, carrying unique but interconnected burdens. Because of this interconnectivity, we are in a situation that encourages pessimism as both a moral and intellectual obligation. If you take a pragmatic, optimistic view on the pandemic, you are all too often perceived as a selfish lockdown-protesting MAGA sympathizer with no appreciation for science.

The reality is that in the hundreds of hours I have spent investigating every corner of this pandemic to assume imagined - and a modicum of very real - control over my situation, I have discovered that the communities dedicated to research and scientific inquiry have been trending towards optimism for months. You are actually upvoted for making positive inferences about data! I feel so much more informed and optimistic after shifting my focus from opinion pieces to data. What does that say about the pandemic?

Meanwhile, on Twitter, where information is compressed to a couple hundred characters, I am frequently reprimanded for daring to suggest that - and this is a doozy on my part - we might have an effective treatment for COVID-19 by September. Someone called me an ignorant fool living on assumptions for making that suggestion. When I asked for any scientific literature that implied we were looking at years without a treatment, I didn't receive a response. Well, actually, I did; they condescended to me some more without supplying the research and trial data that I requested. Can't blame them for going that route because, frankly, such literature doesn't exist.

There are no scientists in the trenches right now that are wiping away their sweat and thinking to themselves "This is a lost cause! We're all doomed!" The number of treatment and vaccine candidates we have is overwhelming and the competition to receive FDA approval is so fierce that there is no time to indulge in doubt. There is very real strength in productive optimism and it's being fostered in the communities I focus on. If you're not reading analyses of trial data, scientific papers (preferably peer-reviewed) or looking over raw data, you're almost certainly going to become pessimistic because in mainstream media outlets and in many social media communities you are treated like a lesser person if you "downplay" the virus with an optimistic perspective.

I will give you an example of how our local news outlets are twisting facts around to further a narrative that is perceived to be morally and intellectually responsible. This really got my goat at the time because I had been watching our hospitalizations very closely:

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Just want to say thank you, LM, for your posts. I appreciate you going in depth with your points here, and I actually do genuinely feel better reading them .

Honestly, with the advancements and technologies and such that exist in the medical world nowadays, I genuinely would not be surprised if we get a vaccine sooner than predicted. I totally get why people don't want to get too specific with their timelines regarding when such things will be available and all that, of course, and I certainly wouldn't want anything to be too rushed, 'cause that's obviously risky as well. But yeah, I've no doubt they'll definitely do whatever they're able to do to try and make that happen, and I hope that good news does come as soon as humanly possible.

Anywho, thanks again, LM, for the reassuring, hopeful words.
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It's no problem. In fact, it's part of my routine that keeps me sane. I don't have the expertise to be a first responder, it's not my role, but we can all play a part in making the people we come into contact with healthier, both in terms of social distancing and the information we offer. We can make people sicker with fear just as we can with garbage like Plandemic that stirs up conspiracy nuts.

Things aren't OK. They're not. This virus has stolen from all of us. But as long as we're alive, I think we can take a little something back through our actions.
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Anyone else actually feeling less optimistic? I’ve been feeling the dread creeping in more and more as this thing doesn’t seem to be getting better fast enough. I now have friends with dead parents because of COVID.
I feel a mix of angst and pessimism that we did this for 60+ days and it will be all for naught because we'll open up too soon and see the spike we would have had in March if we didn't do this shit in the first place, and people would just look the other way because we're all angsty balls of stress from being locked up for 60+ days.
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I feel a mix of angst and pessimism that we did this for 60+ days and it will be all for naught because we'll open up too soon and see the spike we would have had in March if we didn't do this shit in the first place, and people would just look the other way because we're all angsty balls of stress from being locked up for 60+ days.


This is where I’m at. I have friends who are fooled into thinking since states are opening back up then summer fun is on the way. I ask them where did the virus go ?

My biggest dread is with the Trump admin. I cannot think of one single policy, one action they have taken this entire 3+ year that hasn’t turned into a complete disaster. His pandemic response is just like his business model. Lots of talk, gets people to build something, then walks away and screws everyone over.

I’m concerned about the reaction of people who will be told to shelter in place again in 3-4 weeks when cases skyrocket.

And let’s not even mention the anger if/when there’s no football this fall
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