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Old 03-28-2020, 05:25 PM   #921
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I admit that I do come in here extremely angry when I read the various apologies for the Democratic Party, and it does lead me to speak less eloquently and more emotionally. But I also fundamentally reject the idea that emotion need to be left to the side. It all reverts back to the whole "Sanders is bad because he uses populism, and Trump does too!" concept that many in the center love to embrace. Bloodlessly toeing the line of both-sidesism and how important compromise is doesn't appeal to me any longer. I don't know how you watch what happened in the last 40 years as the Republican Party dragged the center to the right, and the Democratic Party let a larger and larger corporate wing in, and then revert to the same evaluation of how compromise and "adults in the room" are the goal. There are no adults in the room any longer.

I also disagree with the idea that we aren't disagreeing on principles. By "we," I mean myself and most Democrat politicians, but still. There are principles the Democratic Party consistently sells out to the Republicans. I fundamentally view the ACA as better than its predecessors, but very marginally. It's Republican healthcare. It views some people are deserving of being bankrupted by healthcare costs.

Mean-testing is a Demcoratic tenant, and means testing propels forward an idea that human rights are a moving target. Those aren't tactics. Those are principles.
You still haven't answered my question. In Trump's (Life forbid) 2nd term b/c maaaybe enuff of you "progressives" didn't for vote (probably) Biden and tipped the balance in the wrong in key districts - when he slashes food stamps - you gonna help pay some of my food bills. Hmm?
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Old 03-28-2020, 05:27 PM   #922
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I saw Pete Townshend play a solo show like 20 years ago and his daughter was on stage with him.
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I invite you to to walk through one of these hospitals without any PPE to prove to all of us that this is a hoax.

Go on. Report back what you find.
We'll wait.

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This is the perfect time to play math! Unfortunately you won’t understand it. Two weeks ago it was “it’s just like the flu lololol 20,000 infections vs 200,000,56885577,42256 a year.” You fucking moron, it’s breaking out still. In an exponential fashion. That exponential behavior will turn 400 in 1000 a day like italy, and then more and more until it levels out. If you don’t control it and the healthcare system can’t support demand, then you have an artificially high death rate of people who can be helped but aren’t getting help due to supply.

Id draw you a curve but you’re too thick to care.
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You (and Candace Owens) have got to be kidding. You think what's happening is no big deal?
Don't know where you live, but it's going to come your way soon enough if it hasn't already.
Anybody who is trying to politicize this really ought to take a hard look at what's happening and realize how awful a person that makes them.
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It's funny how the nearly 3000 dead on 9/11, which is really just a blip when one has a bit of perspective apparently, was reason enough to put countless lives in danger and invade countries.
As someone who 1) worked for a yr in the NE corner with windows of the South Tower on the 73rd flr who could look down and see the drop 20 yrs before 9/11 whose agency luckily left a few yrs later.
2) Was luckly enough to have overslept as so to not be in Lower Manhattan as I would have been instead saw the cloud of death from Brooklyn, have it sail above us for the next day or so with the winds that way.
3) Had 3 people in my circle escape death b/c not being in/or right next to the buildings...

I resent your comparison.

While I did support the Afghanistan War, I never voted for Bush 2 (or 1), and totally demonstrated against the Iraq War.
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:06 PM   #924
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It is true though that we take the 50,000 or so deaths every cold and flu season for granted, as if they're an unpreventable mathematical certainty. If there is a silver lining to this pandemic, it is the increased focus on voluntary measures that can prevent the spread of disease by no small percentage.
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It is true though that we take the 50,000 or so deaths every cold and flu season for granted, as if they're an unpreventable mathematical certainty. If there is a silver lining to this pandemic, it is the increased focus on voluntary measures that can prevent the spread of disease by no small percentage.


For sure but if the flu killed 100,000 people because hospitals weren’t prepared, that’s a 50,000 person travesty.
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Yes this means you NY, California, and Illinois.

I’m sorry it’s from FB, you guys prefer Twitter, but the information is truth

https://www.facebook.com/15935181740...270605648/?d=n
Do me a favor. You think you and the person you're linking to here are so right and know it all, can see "the truth" about this pandemic and all that?

Fine. I want you to go to every single person who is sick with this, and the loved ones of every single person who've died from this thus far, and tell them that you think this is all "overblown", or a "hoax", or any of the other insane bullshit descriptions you want to spew about this. Tell them to their faces. I would LOVE to see what reaction you'd receive. I'm sure those people would really appreciate hearing this is all part of some overblown conspiracy or hoax.

Or, better yet, you and everyone else who continues to spout this kind of bullshit could just, y'know, shut the hell up and go away.
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Do me a favor. You think you and the person you're linking to here are so right and know it all, can see "the truth" about this pandemic and all that?

Fine. I want you to go to every single person who is sick with this, and the loved ones of every single person who've died from this thus far, and tell them that you think this is all "overblown", or a "hoax", or any of the other insane bullshit descriptions you want to spew about this. Tell them to their faces. I would LOVE to see what reaction you'd receive. I'm sure those people would really appreciate hearing this is all part of some overblown conspiracy or hoax.

Or, better yet, you and everyone else who continues to spout this kind of bullshit could just, y'know, shut the hell up and go away.
Yes to all of this.

Actually, sthuaga is the best option. And you can pronounce it as a "word".

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some good news was in a few people are getting some sense over there.

Fox Business News is distancing themselves from Trish Regan's comments that covid19 is a "hoax" to mess up Trump's reelection.
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Yes this means you NY, California, and Illinois.

I’m sorry it’s from FB, you guys prefer Twitter, but the information is truth

https://www.facebook.com/15935181740...270605648/?d=n


Yes, it’s because it’s from FB not because it’s from a grifter who doesn’t understand the exponential math of a virus, it’s because it’s from FB.

How can anyone who made it through 8th grade believe this as “truth”?

That’s scary.
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Yes this means you NY, California, and Illinois.

I’m sorry it’s from FB, you guys prefer Twitter, but the information is truth

https://www.facebook.com/15935181740...270605648/?d=n
Wow this is some ground breaking shit! Every governor and mayor in the country all decided to get together in a secret meeting and decide to extort the government for something they have always wanted... face masks and respirators. bwaahahahahahaaaa... Oh yes. This has been a plan a loooong time in the making. And it is finally coming to fruition.

All they had to do was hold super secret meetings with China over a year ago, and get them to create a virus that would crash the global economy and kill tens of thousands of people. Then once it reached the US, They would jump into action.

Sure the state and cities would lose millions, some billions of dollars and send unemployment to record levels and shutter businesses and schools for a long period of time, maybe shattering their state and local budgets for years to come, but that's ok. They will finally receive those sweet sweet respirators and facemasks!!!!

And the best part is that they won't even really use them, because you know, it's only like 5 more people a day that the hospitals are having to take care of. They just want to hold this medical equipment in large storage facilities and go sit and look at it while they have a glass of scotch and cigar, satisfied that the plan all fell into place.
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Now back in reality land - Asking for a little assistance. My wife falls into the category of non-traditional loss of employment due to Covid-19, under the new Cares act, pandemic unemployment assistance. I google and google, and find articles that lay out the details, but nowhere do they say where and how to actually apply for it. Since this is a federal program, funded through them, i would assume that it is separate from state unemployment.
Anyway, if anyone runs across any official .gov site where you can apply, can you please hit me up?

thank you!
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Wow this is some ground breaking shit! Every governor and mayor in the country all decided to get together in a secret meeting and decide to extort the government for something they have always wanted... face masks and respirators. bwaahahahahahaaaa... Oh yes. This has been a plan a loooong time in the making. And it is finally coming to fruition.

All they had to do was hold super secret meetings with China over a year ago, and get them to create a virus that would crash the global economy and kill tens of thousands of people. Then once it reached the US, They would jump into action.

Sure the state and cities would lose millions, some billions of dollars and send unemployment to record levels and shutter businesses and schools for a long period of time, maybe shattering their state and local budgets for years to come, but that's ok. They will finally receive those sweet sweet respirators and facemasks!!!!

And the best part is that they won't even really use them, because you know, it's only like 5 more people a day that the hospitals are having to take care of. They just want to hold this medical equipment in large storage facilities and go sit and look at it while they have a glass of scotch and cigar, satisfied that the plan all fell into place.
I’m shocked, as usual u miss the point completely. The point is that the amount of deaths and hospitalizations in New York is no different than in other years, and in California, and in Illinois, but these poorly run states will now use the Corona pandemic to get millions of dollars from the Federal Government ( I.e. the taxpayers, i. e. Us) to cover their mismanagement of their state .

“Never let a good crisis go to waste”, right?

Now Womanfish, back to Fantasy Island.....
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I’m shocked, as usual u miss the point completely. The point is that the amount of deaths and hospitalizations in New York is no different than in other years, and in California, and in Illinois, but these poorly run states will now use the Corona pandemic to get millions of dollars from the Federal Government ( I.e. the taxpayers, i. e. Us) to cover their mismanagement of their state .



“Never let a good crisis go to waste”, right?



Now Womanfish, back to Fantasy Island.....


So you can’t do math, you can’t do economics, and now it seems you don’t understand how to make simple measurements.


Curious. Physics and engineering realm here. Do you understand the concept of spatial resolution? How about temporal resolution? Do you understand how these types of measurements are not comparable, despite sharing the same variables?

To put that into more direct words: you do realize that this is a time dependent problem, right?

How you can’t wrap your tiny little skull around that is fucking worrisome.
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Now that's funny.
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Now that's funny.
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I’m shocked, as usual u miss the point completely. The point is that the amount of deaths and hospitalizations in New York is no different than in other years, and in California, and in Illinois, but these poorly run states will now use the Corona pandemic to get millions of dollars from the Federal Government ( I.e. the taxpayers, i. e. Us) to cover their mismanagement of their state .

“Never let a good crisis go to waste”, right?

Now Womanfish, back to Fantasy Island.....
These poorly run states? LOL. oooook. You do realize that Lousiana, GA, TX and FL are going to massive pits of despair shortly right? The only thing that is keeping the mountain and plains states of the west at a lower level is because of population density.

Let's take my ol' state of FL for example. No doubt Trump has been on the phone with his little pocket pal DeSantis this past couple weeks telling him to keep testing at a minimum so it doesn't look like there are many cases. You know, he needs Doral to open up as soon as possible.
They've done about 40,000 tests total. NY does 18,000 a day. THAT is why NY looks like it is this crazy hotspot (along with having the most densly populated metro area in the country). If FL tested at the same rate, they would have as many or more positives there.

LN7 is right. You just aren't capable of wrapping your head around the variables of what's going on here. To you, it's those poorly run blue states. and that's all you can allow yourself to see. I look forward to you coming back when FL, with 25% of their population over 60, is reeling from this. And hearing what you have to say.
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There are those people, when you say, "Tomorrow, this place will be hit by a hurricane.", they'll look out the window and say, "You are lying, the sky is blue."

People who argue economics a lot shouldn't be strangers to phenomena of time lags. You combine exponential growth with an incubation time of seven to ten days, and you should automatically refrain from statements based on observations of yesterday or today. Just like you can't say any measure put in place yesterday is or isn't working by looking at today's number of newly discoverd cases, you can't take figures from the beginning of an epidemic and say, "Well, it's not that bad."

Considering further the huge negative economic effects of the measures taken by the cities and states including New York and New Jersey, I find it amazing that this was done in order to rake in "millions of dollars from the Federal Government ". I guess they also managed to convince Italy to completely overwhelm its entire health infrastructure to lend their argument more credibility. In true Socialist fashion, the rest of Europe of course supported the Italian charade, Spain and the east of France especially. We are looking forward to receiving a cheque of a few hundred thousand dollars from Gov. Cuomo.

Not to forget China, who started by locking up 11 million people in a city, so some US States can lose billions in revenues in return for millions in Federal aid. Ingenious.
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According to Cuomo, over the last two weeks, the rate of hospitalizations in NY has slowed from doubling every 2 days to doubling every 6 days. Big improvement for sure.
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There are those people, when you say, "Tomorrow, this place will be hit by a hurricane.", they'll look out the window and say, "You are lying, the sky is blue."

People who argue economics a lot shouldn't be strangers to phenomena of time lags. You combine exponential growth with an incubation time of seven to ten days, and you should automatically refrain from statements based on observations of yesterday or today. Just like you can't say any measure put in place yesterday is or isn't working by looking at today's number of newly discoverd cases, you can't take figures from the beginning of an epidemic and say, "Well, it's not that bad."

Considering further the huge negative economic effects of the measures taken by the cities and states including New York and New Jersey, I find it amazing that this was done in order to rake in "millions of dollars from the Federal Government ". I guess they also managed to convince Italy to completely overwhelm its entire health infrastructure to lend their argument more credibility. In true Socialist fashion, the rest of Europe of course supported the Italian charade, Spain and the east of France especially. We are looking forward to receiving a cheque of a few hundred thousand dollars from Gov. Cuomo.

Not to forget China, who started by locking up 11 million people in a city, so some US States can lose billions in revenues in return for millions in Federal aid. Ingenious.


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According to Cuomo, over the last two weeks, the rate of hospitalizations in NY has slowed from doubling every 2 days to doubling every 6 days. Big improvement for sure.


This is what will save us. Ourselves.

Gzus is such a Christian. Really. The god you believe in must be so proud of your anger and selfishness.
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