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I watch Cuomo being an actual leader and I can’t help but smile a bit at the memory that there are people who thought that Cynthia Nixon was going to be the governor of New York and that this would be a good idea because she rides the subway.

Politics and leadership isn’t about putting people in office who most closely share your utopian fantasies and promise you a pony on Christmas morning. It means getting people in power who are actually good at government.

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I don't think that's what Cuomo meant- he meant we need to plan for when this is past- we have start planning how to get the economy back on track now. We can't wait for this to be over to plan-we need parallel planning.

Yes, there has to be a strategy for an orderly return to "normal" life.

The problem with Trump and that idiot in Texas is that this is NOT the appropriate time to be discussing revving up the economy. We are realistically probably at least a couple of months away, if not longer. That doesn't mean that long-term strategic planning shouldn't be done - it should because this too, will end. But to discuss that at the cost of everything else right now is premature, idiotic, and ill-advised, which is basically the hallmark of the Trump presidency.
 
Trump is targeting Easter as his reopen date. The strategy would be to do this in areas that aren't as affected by the virus. What's the threshold for that?

Louisiana went from 90 cases a week ago to over 700 now. That's frightening and a powerful thing to consider when thinking about "reopening the economy".
 
Trump is targeting Easter as his reopen date. The strategy would be to do this in areas that aren't as affected by the virus.

Good luck finding states that aren't "as affected" by Easter.

And yesterday he was on and on about Nebraska and Idaho as examples of where businesses could open up - yeah, real powerhouses of the US economy.
 
Good luck finding states that aren't "as affected" by Easter.

And yesterday he was on and on about Nebraska and Idaho as examples of where businesses could open up - yeah, real powerhouses of the US economy.

Exactly. He's a moron and a narcissistic one at that. This is all about him. I want the doctors and the CDC making these decisions, not him.
 
He's apparently trashing Cuomo and Biden in the task force meeting as we speak.
 
California started locking down businesses a couple weeks ago and we reported fewer new cases today than Florida, Georgia and Pennsylvania.

The lockdowns work, but they work a lot better if you don't wait around until everyone is dying. Too bad the dumbass states are going to put their people at risk:

https://twitter.com/pblest/status/1242458500372090880?s=19
 
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California is not testing nearly enough.

The low numbers are totally deceiving.
 
California is not testing nearly enough.

The low numbers are totally deceiving.

One of the tell-tale signs that a region is not testing frequently enough to match the severity of their case load is that the CFR and percentage of severe/critical cases among the total number of active cases is far higher than would be expected if tests were coming in more aggressively. This was the reality in the early going for China, Iran, Italy, and the United States when nursing homes were first being ravaged in Washington.

The CFR in California among all cases is currently at 1.89%, which is higher than the US average of 1.28%, but it isn't miles away from New York, where they're churning out far more tests than the rest of the nation combined. We are not testing enough, no states are, but there is reason to believe that we locked down before things could get completely out of hand.

More troubling to me is the situation in the south, where they're completely in denial about the severity of the virus and refusing to enact safety measures. Recent CFRs: Georgia 3.1%, Louisiana 3.3%.
 
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Liberty University is reopening this week. I expect nothing less from a place that thinks the Flintstones was a documentary.

The state of Virgina needs to take that shit hole's license away immediately.



They don’t believe in evolution but the rest of us will get to see a great lesson in Darwinism.
 
Of course he is. Because a day simply can't go by without him acting like a petulant baby.

I'm begging somebody, anybody, to please throw his ass out on the lawn and tell him he's not coming back already. Please.

I'm imagining Pence tossing Trump like Vader did The Emperor, but I'm pretty sure Pence couldn't lift him.
 
Bill Gates:

”There really is no middle ground, and it’s very tough to say to people, ‘Hey, keep going to restaurants, go buy new houses, ignore that pile of bodies over in the corner. We want you to keep spending because there’s maybe a politician who thinks GDP growth is all that counts,’” Gates said in an interview with TED Tuesday. “It’s very irresponsible for somebody to suggest that we can have the best of both worlds.”

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Asked what he would do if he were president, Gates returned to his concerns about reopening the economy.

“The economic effect of this is really dramatic. Nothing like this has ever happened to the economy in our lifetimes,” Gates said. “But bringing the economy back ... that’s more of a reversible thing than bringing people back to life. So we’re going to take the pain in the economic dimension — huge pain — in order to minimize the pain in the diseases-and-death dimension.”
 
Pathetic

New York(CNN Business) Anchors at Fox News failed to meaningfully challenge President Trump as he repeatedly misled the network's viewers during a virtual town hall on Tuesday, effectively surrendering its airwaves to the President as he even appeared to cite a conspiratorial outlet to argue his case.

While Fox News is known as the home to such pro-Trump hosts as Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham, Tuesday's town hall was held by Bill Hemmer and Harris Faulkner, two anchors the network bills as members of a supposedly fearless and hard-hitting news division.

But neither Hemmer, who is the chief breaking news anchor at Fox News and was broadcasting from the White House, nor Faulkner, who was broadcasting remotely from a studio, effectively pushed back on Trump during the two-hour event -— despite obvious misinformation peddled by the President.


Trump, for instance, repeatedly compared the coronavirus to the seasonal flu. "We've never closed down the country for the flu," the President said.

Hemmer, however, repeatedly failed to note that Covid-19 has a significantly higher mortality rate than the seasonal flu.

The World Health Organization has estimated the mortality rate to be 3.4%. And Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top infectious disease expert in the United States, has estimated that it is about 2%. Fauci even previously told Fox News, "The mortality for seasonal flu is 0.1% so even if [Covid-19] goes down to 1% it's still 10 times more fatal."

At another point during the interview, Trump said he would "love" for the country to "open by Easter" on April 12.

Instead of challenging Trump, and noting that his deadline is at odds with what many medical professionals and infectious disease experts have said, Faulkner replied, "Oh wow. OK."

Hemmer added, "That would be a great American resurrection."

After being criticized online for his failure to follow up, Hemmer came back from a commercial break and asked Trump the question again: "You'd like to be back to normal by Easter Sunday. That's 19 days from now. Is that true? Is that possible?"

Trump replied to Hemmer, saying he believed it to be possible and once again compared it to the much less serious seasonal flu. Hemmer asked Trump how he could determine it might be safe, and Trump reiterated his belief that the country "has to get back to work."

In one jarring moment, Trump assailed Democratic New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who criticized the federal government hours earlier for not sending enough ventilators to the state.

"He should have ordered the ventilators, and he had a choice. He had a chance," Trump said.

"Because right here, I just got this out," he added, reading from a piece of paper. "That he refused to order 15,000 ventilators. I will show this to Bill."

The article Trump read to Hemmer -— and the Fox News audience at large — appeared to be from the Gateway Pundit, a fringe outlet with a long history of peddling right-wing conspiracy theories.


"NY Gov. Cuomo Rejected Buying Recommended 16,000 Ventilators in 2015 for Pandemic, Established Death Panels and Lottery Instead," was the headline Trump read aloud, the same as one posted on the Gateway Pundit's website Sunday.

"He shouldn't be talking about us," Trump then said. "He's supposed to be buying his own ventilators."

Hemmer did not challenge Trump -- on either the source of the information or Trump's suggestion that the federal government doesn't bear any responsibility for providing ventilators given that Cuomo could have made the purchase nearly five years before the coronavirus outbreak.

A Fox News spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.

Fox News has only recently started to take the coronavirus more seriously. For weeks, top hosts and personalities on the network downplayed the coronavirus. Personalities — such as Hannity Ingraham — told their audiences that news coverage of the virus was aimed at hurting Trump politically.

The often-dismissive messaging from Fox News hosts was notable, given that the viewers who make up the network's audience skew older and are thus more vulnerable to the disease.

Polls from both Gallup and Pew Research revealed that Republicans — who are largely distrustful of mainstream news organizations and primarily turn to Fox News and other right-wing sources for information on current events — were much less likely to take the risks of the coronavirus as seriously as their Democratic counterparts.
 
I say this absolutely seriously - I don't see how after this, the US can continue to function as a country the way it does now. It is patently obvious that there are two kinds of people, that are mostly separated into different states, whose interests diverge too much to remain together.

We have some of that, to a lesser degree with Alberta, where the current PM is very unpopular, but the country has really come together to combat this pandemic. What is happening south of the border should not be shocking, yet it is.
 
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