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The Fly
Join Date: Apr 2001
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Give it up for Bush (for once)!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...h_muslims_dc_4
__________________Now I'm just going to brace myself for the INEVITABLE response. |
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Blue Crack Supplier
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Hello,
__________________What response are you expecting then? I, for once, fully support his remarks and totally agree with your subject line here. (Religious) Extremism is bad, be it from the Islamic, Jewish, Protestant, Catholic or whatever faith. C ya! Marty |
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ONE
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Wow.....
Ya know........Bush is starting to really impress me. I started a thread basically criticizing the lack of response over some of the comments made by the religious right. Bush, hats off to you. Peace to all. |
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I think it was a good statement.
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i'm watching tv right now and as i was scanning the channels pat robertson was on talking about bush's statement. he makes me ill. he said he still supports the president and then went off on one of his wacky tangents about islam. he is obviously such an expert on the subject. *gags*
the thing that annoys me the most is that if a muslim cleric were to get up and give "his" explanation of christianity, people would freak out. robertson et. al. should stick to what they know. of course, i have no idea what this really is. it also annoys me when the press gives these people a larger audience for their hate-spewing. i'm glad bush finally made public comments about it. it was long overdue. he did the right thing. |
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IMO, what sets Bush apart from other Christian political leaders (and I use that term loosely), is that starts by looking to God for wisdom (by prayer and study) rather that trying to use God to justify a human agenda.
Its too bad that “right wing” theologians (again, the term is used loosely) fail to comment solely on matters of Truth, but resort to inflammatory mudslinging at other religions. |
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here is the article.
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Re: here is the article.
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I have no problem praising the Bush administration when I deem it is warranted.
These remarks are good. They are overdue. I would have more respect for W. is he had said this when it might have cost him. Why did he not make these remarks when Falwell made his ignorant remarks, why did he not speak up before the election. The Christian Coalition is a powerful voting block. He was silent because he could not risk them being offended and staying home on Election Day. This is typical of politicians. When Bush campaigned he said he would not put his finger to the wind. That is a big lie, they are polling like crazy. Most politicians do. He is just going back on his word. Quote:
What if he said "there are millions of peace loving 1. chinese americans, 2. black americans 3. american jews, etc." Timing is everything. After the election, it cost him nothing. Also in today’s paper: Quote:
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Yes he did.
But, there have been a lot of inflammatory remarks made by promenade Americans, in recent weeks. What was overdue was a response to those remarks. |
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Well, to be more spedifici on what nbcrusader pointed out, I think I recall Bush specifically addressing Falwell's inappropriate comments shortly after Falwell made his inappropriate comments.
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I find that most of the people making these anti-Islamic remarks are in no position to comment; their own "Christian" beliefs are quite extremist and repugnant to start with.
But I can't say I'm an Islam lover myself. I have a few choice comments I just keep to myself. ![]() Melon |
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The best thing I can say about Islam is that it began 600 years after Christianity, and what, 1000+ years after Judaism.
What was the Christian church like 600 years ago, before reformations, probably more barbaric than most of Islam today. I am hoping for reformations in Islam, as there have been reforms in other older religions. |
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I think the radicals are trying to reform Islam the wrong way, and were trying to impede that, while saving future lives..
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1. This may be the only time I can say I agreed with W. but I disagree with "under God" as a Christain I refuse to speak those words while resighting the Pledge at my Township meetings.
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The Fly
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hey, now theres something i can agree with.
falwell is not a christian in my eyes. in fact, i find it so hard to be a christian in my own way, it kinda hurts sometimes. theres people that arent christians that hack you down for your faith, and theres people who are "christians" who tear you to bits too. :S i think maybe i shouldnt pay attention to the outside world as much, and be more secluded. it would be easier on me. |
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I have to say that though I do not quite agree with the style and tone used by Falwell and Robertson, much of what they say is based on historical fact. Yes, the majority of Muslims living in the U.S. are peaceful, but what about the ones in other countries. Let me say that there are also peaceful ones in other countries, but often, others do perpetrate crimes against humanity. For example, the years long war in Sudan is waged by the Muslim led governement in an attempt to quash Christianity and animism in the south of the country. Indonesia has had constant problems with Muslim mobs rioting and burning hundreds of churches. Few if any Muslim countries have any religious freedom. There is a far cry between Robertson saying that many Muslims are not peaceful and the Muslim clerics who cry out for Jewish and Christian blood. I have yet to see a Christian pastor call for a fatwa against somebody (correct me if I am wrong here) The recent attempted stoning in Nigeria is not a product of some Falwell led mob, but of an implementation of sharia'a law. I know I will probably get castigated over these observations, but I know that what I am saying is fact, not an opinion. I am only giving a background from which Robertson and Falwell are speaking. I did not see what they actually said, but I am sure they probably said something before those words that set them in context. Of course this does not excuse the actual words they used, but I believe it is helpful to everyone if people actually listen and watch what is going on in the owrld instead of reacting without having the slightest clue. Andi in response to deep, It is not helpful to go back and fling stones and compare religions. But, on a side note, Islam was born a religion of conquest unlike the spread of Christianity in the Roman Empire. The Crusades can hardly be called Christian. However, Mohammed himself conqured to spread his new religion. To say it was born peacefully is a direct contradiction to what history tells us.
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