Girl's prom memory is ruined, how sad? - Page 4

U2Kitten · 12-22-2004, 06:47 PM

I am done ranting I don't want to fight go back to making fun of the dress.

BVS · 12-22-2004, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by U2Kitten

I believe most slaves were not abused, because it just didn't make sense to damage your own 'property.' You won't get much work out of them then!

Hello owning humans is abuse enough.

Whereas I agree there was more to the civil war than the slave issue, your bias is a little unjust. I grew up in the south, it wasn't as romantic as you paint it. I had a grandfather who was a civil war buff, I know all about it.

We can go around and around all day about the civil war but it comes down to this, one of the main issues for wanting to succeed was owning of slaves, no one can deny that. So those who have their "the South will rise again" bumper stickers and wear there conferate flags are standing proud for the right to succeed from the union. Why in 2004 would one be proud of trying to divide this nation? Why would one be proud that they fought for the right to keep slaves. Why would one want them to "rise up again". Ask someone that and see if they can give you an honest answer. If nothing less it stands for division.

I say if these folks wanted so bad to be detached from this nation then don't take part. Don't vote, I guarantee you we wouldn't have had Bush in office.

pax · 12-22-2004, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar

Hello owning humans is abuse enough...

So those who have their "the South will rise again" bumper stickers and wear there conferate flags are standing proud for the right to succeed from the union. Why in 2004 would one be proud of trying to divide this nation? Why would one be proud that they fought for the right to keep slaves. Why would one want them to "rise up again". Ask someone that and see if they can give you an honest answer. If nothing less it stands for division.

My thoughts exactly, actually.

indra · 12-22-2004, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by U2Kitten

They don't KILL property either, it's not good for business. That's another thing, the anti slavery movement was largely spread by "Uncle Tom's Cabin" which told of abuse, but how widespread was it? I believe most slaves were not abused, because it just didn't make sense to damage your own 'property.' You won't get much work out of them then! I believe the same type if asshole who beat his slaves is the same type of ass who beats his wife, kids and dog today. And don't they run away? See? The only slaves who the northerners heard from were the abused ones, the ones who ran away to tell the tale, just like battered women in a shelter today. They may have been very isolated cases, but they were the ones who were heard, there was no 20/20 to go investigate, and the entire south was villianized. While of course slavery was wrong and owning a person is wrong, the abuse was likely exaggerated by activists.

Being owned is abuse enough. Do you really believe what you wrote here? Do you really? I can't honesty believe I am reading this crap. I'm just astonished.

indra · 12-22-2004, 07:27 PM

And the dress is still scum-suckingly ugly.

Then again, I guess it's entirely appropriate.

namkcuR · 12-22-2004, 07:38 PM

You buy things, you don't buy people, and a region of people that would buy people and trade people as if they were objects, are beyond what I can describe here without getting thrown out of these forums.

You have to think of why slave owners treated slaves like they were objects. They were racists. It really is that simple. They were ignorant and thought these people were worthless and only good for doing chores, soley because they happened to have black colored skin. That is really what slavery was....one of the most, if not the most, vile excercise of racism in history.

I don't how you could be proud of having that as a heritage. And even if you are proud of it, at least try to improve your fashion sense.

Do Miss America · 12-22-2004, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by indra

Being owned is abuse enough. Do you really believe what you wrote here? Do you really? I can't honesty believe I am reading this crap. I'm just astonished.

That's appalling!

Macfistowannabe · 12-22-2004, 09:06 PM

What a joke. Why would she even bother wearing that? Settle the lawsuit outside of court and have her become the school slave.

indra · 12-22-2004, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by Macfistowannabe
What a joke. Why would she even bother wearing that? Settle the lawsuit outside of court and have her become the school slave.

Now there's an idea!

UnforgettableLemon · 12-22-2004, 11:34 PM

I've got lots of family who served the confederacy during the civil war. It's true, most southerners did not own slaves and were just defending their land (R.E. Lee). But I see so much ignorance and hatred in my own hometown and others I've visited from here to Georgia that it makes me sick. People from my own high school played an all-black volleyball team. Guess what our crowd brought with them to cheer our backwoods team on? Confederate flags! Isn't that just wonderful? Never saw them when we played other local schools, but get a mile out of Richmond, and it really comes out. It's sickening. While my ancestors may not have been in the civil war for purely racist reasons, most of their descendents with whom I am familiar (most of my family included, some less-so after attending black churches recently and getting some sense put into them) really do harbor strong racist feelings and associate them the flag. The problem is not with the heritage of the flag, but with a lot of the dumbasses who carry them now. My great great great grandfather served in the war... so what? I'm proud of people who stick up for what they believe in, but I don't have to pretend to share or even know those beliefs. Also, the dress is just tacky. It's like this kiosk we have in the mall that sells confederate flag memorbelia. There's a LOT of racist innuendo on those little slogans if you pay attention. Regardless of what one's intent is, too many people have tarnished whatevery symbolic value it may have had with stupidity, so I say let the goddamn flag go.

cell · 12-23-2004, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by U2Kitten

They don't KILL property either, it's not good for business. That's another thing, the anti slavery movement was largely spread by "Uncle Tom's Cabin" which told of abuse, but how widespread was it? I believe most slaves were not abused, because it just didn't make sense to damage your own 'property.' You won't get much work out of them then! I believe the same type if asshole who beat his slaves is the same type of ass who beats his wife, kids and dog today. And don't they run away? See? The only slaves who the northerners heard from were the abused ones, the ones who ran away to tell the tale, just like battered women in a shelter today. They may have been very isolated cases, but they were the ones who were heard, there was no 20/20 to go investigate, and the entire south was villianized. While of course slavery was wrong and owning a person is wrong, the abuse was likely exaggerated by activists.

wow.

Angela Harlem · 12-23-2004, 12:21 AM

i still say we burn the dress.

cell · 12-23-2004, 12:30 AM

yeah...burn baby burn...

beli · 12-23-2004, 12:50 AM

Techically her dress wouldnt burn. Sequins are aluminium and metal isnt combustible.

It would melt though if you crank the furnace up past 600 C

cell · 12-23-2004, 12:55 AM

well that defeats the purpose...

beli · 12-23-2004, 12:57 AM

Im guessing the dress has a nylon lining though and that WOULD burn like the buggery.

Angela Harlem · 12-23-2004, 01:56 AM

she could have those fangled plastic sequins that spotlight sell by the tubload!

THEY'D burn like all buggery!

beli · 12-23-2004, 01:59 AM

Thats true. Shes does look like a spotlight kinda girl. Yes, well spotted.

LoveTown · 12-23-2004, 02:38 AM

my only point on this issue is that she has no right to sue because she KNEW it would cause a problem and she did it anyway. If she is playing the innocent victim here she is a liar because she WANTED to create a stir with her dress.

We talk of free speech but would it be ok for a student of German heritage to wear a dress with a swastika if they claimed that their grand-father fought proudly on the side of the Nazis in WWII? How about a daughter of a KKK member wearing a dress that read " die niggers"?

Free speech is a wonderful thing, but the time and place should be picked carefully. I think the school was absolutely right to do what they did. If her dress was going to cause pain for others and ruin prom for other students than she had absolutely no right to wear it. Like I said, I believe she wanted this all to happen so she could cry "poor me"

Angela Harlem · 12-23-2004, 03:28 AM

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Originally posted by beli
Thats true. Shes does look like a spotlight kinda girl. Yes, well spotted.

you and me bel one day need to do our own show called 'what not to wear - or be caught dead in'
with specials on wedding frocks.

12-22-2004, 06:47 PM	#61
U2Kitten Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 17,927 Local Time: 12:37 AM	I am done ranting I don't want to fight go back to making fun of the dress. __________________

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Angela Harlem Jesus Online Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: a glass castle Posts: 30,163 Local Time: 04:37 PM	i still say we burn the dress. __________________

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Angela Harlem Jesus Online Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: a glass castle Posts: 30,163 Local Time: 04:37 PM	she could have those fangled plastic sequins that spotlight sell by the tubload! THEY'D burn like all buggery! __________________

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12-22-2004, 07:27 PM	#65
indra ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 12,689 Local Time: 01:37 AM	And the dress is still scum-suckingly ugly. Then again, I guess it's entirely appropriate.

12-22-2004, 07:38 PM	#66
namkcuR ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Kettering, Ohio Posts: 10,753 Local Time: 01:37 AM	You buy things, you don't buy people, and a region of people that would buy people and trade people as if they were objects, are beyond what I can describe here without getting thrown out of these forums. You have to think of why slave owners treated slaves like they were objects. They were racists. It really is that simple. They were ignorant and thought these people were worthless and only good for doing chores, soley because they happened to have black colored skin. That is really what slavery was....one of the most, if not the most, vile excercise of racism in history. I don't how you could be proud of having that as a heritage. And even if you are proud of it, at least try to improve your fashion sense.

12-22-2004, 09:06 PM	#68
Macfistowannabe Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,197 Local Time: 01:37 AM	What a joke. Why would she even bother wearing that? Settle the lawsuit outside of court and have her become the school slave.

12-22-2004, 11:34 PM	#70
UnforgettableLemon Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Lansdale, PA Posts: 7,287 Local Time: 01:37 AM	I've got lots of family who served the confederacy during the civil war. It's true, most southerners did not own slaves and were just defending their land (R.E. Lee). But I see so much ignorance and hatred in my own hometown and others I've visited from here to Georgia that it makes me sick. People from my own high school played an all-black volleyball team. Guess what our crowd brought with them to cheer our backwoods team on? Confederate flags! Isn't that just wonderful? Never saw them when we played other local schools, but get a mile out of Richmond, and it really comes out. It's sickening. While my ancestors may not have been in the civil war for purely racist reasons, most of their descendents with whom I am familiar (most of my family included, some less-so after attending black churches recently and getting some sense put into them) really do harbor strong racist feelings and associate them the flag. The problem is not with the heritage of the flag, but with a lot of the dumbasses who carry them now. My great great great grandfather served in the war... so what? I'm proud of people who stick up for what they believe in, but I don't have to pretend to share or even know those beliefs. Also, the dress is just tacky. It's like this kiosk we have in the mall that sells confederate flag memorbelia. There's a LOT of racist innuendo on those little slogans if you pay attention. Regardless of what one's intent is, too many people have tarnished whatevery symbolic value it may have had with stupidity, so I say let the goddamn flag go.

12-23-2004, 12:30 AM	#73
cell Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Disneyland Posts: 5,901 Local Time: 10:37 PM	yeah...burn baby burn...

12-23-2004, 12:50 AM	#74
beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,464 Local Time: 01:37 PM	Techically her dress wouldnt burn. Sequins are aluminium and metal isnt combustible. It would melt though if you crank the furnace up past 600 C

12-23-2004, 12:55 AM	#75
cell Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Disneyland Posts: 5,901 Local Time: 10:37 PM	well that defeats the purpose...

12-23-2004, 12:57 AM	#76
beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,464 Local Time: 01:37 PM	Im guessing the dress has a nylon lining though and that WOULD burn like the buggery.

12-23-2004, 01:59 AM	#78
beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,464 Local Time: 01:37 PM	Thats true. Shes does look like a spotlight kinda girl. Yes, well spotted.

12-23-2004, 02:38 AM	#79
LoveTown Refugee Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 1,359 Local Time: 01:37 AM	my only point on this issue is that she has no right to sue because she KNEW it would cause a problem and she did it anyway. If she is playing the innocent victim here she is a liar because she WANTED to create a stir with her dress. We talk of free speech but would it be ok for a student of German heritage to wear a dress with a swastika if they claimed that their grand-father fought proudly on the side of the Nazis in WWII? How about a daughter of a KKK member wearing a dress that read " die niggers"? Free speech is a wonderful thing, but the time and place should be picked carefully. I think the school was absolutely right to do what they did. If her dress was going to cause pain for others and ruin prom for other students than she had absolutely no right to wear it. Like I said, I believe she wanted this all to happen so she could cry "poor me"