Gender (if any) of God - Page 2

Hallelujah Here She Comes · 07-15-2002, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by Achtung Bubba
Working backwards, the father is God the Father. The brother is Jesus Christ, God the Son; if He is the Son of God and we are adopted as sons and daughters of God, He is then our adoptive brother.

Thus, the lover is the Holy Spirit.

And there have truly been times where She's taught me how to sing.

I really, really like that.

whiteflag · 07-15-2002, 12:48 PM

One other thing I forgot to add the last time.

In the Old Testament, Wisdom is also ALWAYS refered to as a 'she'.

So we have the Holy Spirit, Grace and Wisdom portrayed as female either in Christian tradition or in the Bible.

That's a pretty heavy trio, if you ask me.

verte76 · 07-16-2002, 11:10 PM

If I'm not mistaken it was St. Augustine who didn't believe God really had a gender at all. He thought the reference to God as male was a metaphor.
Of course keep it in mind (*if* I'm not getting my theologians mixed up) that the guy was a rhetoric teacher.

madonna's child · 07-17-2002, 08:04 AM

I visually think of God in a female form, just to have a picture in my head. But I really don't believe God has a gender.

kariatari · 07-17-2002, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Lara Mullen
I like the idea that God could be 2 entities- like man & woman together

But I still have this picture in my head of a big jolly white haired bloke sitting in heaven

I agree Lara. I know that nobody really knows God's gender, but I still picture him as a white bearded guy. Although, I must say, I never really gave God's gender that much thought until I saw a poster one day that said, "God is black and she loves you."

Giant Lemon · 07-17-2002, 07:56 PM

Like I said earlier in Diamond's thread, I don't believe God has a gender. I think that the only reason God is portrayed as male and that Jesus was male is because we live in a male dominated society where females are not usually seen as authority figures. Although I'm no expert on Biblical times, it seems likely to me that a man would've have been listened to much more than a woman back then (and today).

Achtung Bubba · 07-17-2002, 08:11 PM

Is it not possible that Jesus was portrayed as a male becuase Jesus of Nazareth - a human being who lived two thousand years ago - was ACTUALLY male?

verte76 · 07-17-2002, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by Achtung Bubba
Is it not possible that Jesus was portrayed as a male becuase Jesus of Nazareth - a human being who lived two thousand years ago - was ACTUALLY male?

Yes. But that need not mean that God is male, even if you are a Christian and accept the traditional teaching, as I do, that Jesus was God made flesh. I've just found this stuff in a history book about St. Augustine's position on God's gender. He didn't believe that God had a gender. If Jesus was to become a human being, he had to be either male or female. But that's the human nature in Christ; there's also the divine nature. Did that have a gender? I don't want to hash this thing out quite the way the Church councils did. But I think the old rhetoric teacher from Hippo was onto something there. Gender is limiting. Does one want to limit or confine God in any way? That's the $64,000 Question. You could write books and books on that.

Achtung Bubba · 07-17-2002, 08:57 PM

I see. I think I've covered my beliefs thoroughly in this thread, and I see no problem in saying that God has no gender.

07-15-2002, 12:48 PM	#22
whiteflag The Fly Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: dallas,tx,usa Posts: 199 Local Time: 09:53 AM	One other thing I forgot to add the last time. In the Old Testament, Wisdom is also ALWAYS refered to as a 'she'. So we have the Holy Spirit, Grace and Wisdom portrayed as female either in Christian tradition or in the Bible. That's a pretty heavy trio, if you ask me. __________________

07-17-2002, 08:11 PM	#27
Achtung Bubba Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: One Nation. Under God. Posts: 1,513 Local Time: 04:53 AM	Is it not possible that Jesus was portrayed as a male becuase Jesus of Nazareth - a human being who lived two thousand years ago - was ACTUALLY male? __________________ DISCLAIMER: The author of the preceding is known for engaing in very long discussions.

07-17-2002, 08:57 PM	#29
Achtung Bubba Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: One Nation. Under God. Posts: 1,513 Local Time: 04:53 AM	I see. I think I've covered my beliefs thoroughly in this thread, and I see no problem in saying that God has no gender. __________________ __________________ DISCLAIMER: The author of the preceding is known for engaing in very long discussions.

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07-16-2002, 11:10 PM	#23
verte76 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: May 2002 Location: hoping for changes Posts: 23,331 Local Time: 09:53 AM	If I'm not mistaken it was St. Augustine who didn't believe God really had a gender at all. He thought the reference to God as male was a metaphor. Of course keep it in mind (if I'm not getting my theologians mixed up) that the guy was a rhetoric teacher.

07-17-2002, 08:04 AM	#24
madonna's child Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: May 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 5,567 Local Time: 05:53 AM	I visually think of God in a female form, just to have a picture in my head. But I really don't believe God has a gender.

07-17-2002, 07:56 PM	#26
Giant Lemon Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: out in the slipstream Posts: 3,265 Local Time: 09:53 AM	Like I said earlier in Diamond's thread, I don't believe God has a gender. I think that the only reason God is portrayed as male and that Jesus was male is because we live in a male dominated society where females are not usually seen as authority figures. Although I'm no expert on Biblical times, it seems likely to me that a man would've have been listened to much more than a woman back then (and today).