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Old 01-31-2008, 06:24 PM   #1
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FYM survey

1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?
2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would
describe you? Are they right?
3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)
4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?
5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?
6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?
7. What do you bring to the forum?
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Question, before I try answering these: What exactly do you mean by 'alpha'?
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Re: FYM survey

1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?

Come on, lechery is the most important part.

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would describe you? Are they right?

An arrogant bastard with an answer for everything (answer may not neccessarily be right)

3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)


I would wager financeguy

4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?

I am... because I said so (bulletproof )

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the alpha or stay away?

Depends on what I am doing at the time.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore differences?

Neither, I want to beat people in the real world.

7. What do you bring to the forum?

Materialism and porn posts.
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Re: FYM survey

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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?
2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would
describe you? Are they right?
3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)
4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?
5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?
6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?
7. What do you bring to the forum?

1. Don't understand question.

2. As someone that is fairly confused politically. Yes and no.

3. I recognise myself in posters that I rarely agree with.

4. Melon, A_Wanderer, Yolland (in kind of an enigmatic way)

5. Challenge

6. The former

7. No idea
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Re: Re: FYM survey

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3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)


I would wager financeguy
It's funny, I was going to nominate either yourself or Irvine, then (after posting my non-commital answer), I noticed your response.

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[B][i] 7. What do you bring to the forum?

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[i]Materialism and porn posts.
There's a lot to be said for that kind of thing.
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Question, before I try answering these: What exactly do you mean by 'alpha'?
The dominant member, the alpha wolf.
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Re: Re: FYM survey

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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?

Come on, lechery is the most important part.

OK, you can add the prurient parts.
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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?
My temper, hopefully--I've certainly gotten cranky in here a few times, but I think I've kept my real-life capacity for the occasional spectacular blow-up in check. Much of my humor as well--in real life I make lots of wisecracks, but they do tend to have barbs (often sharper than I realize at the time), and it's always riskier to do that with people you don't know really well.

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would describe you? Are they right?
Earnest? Wordy? Bookish? Mostly kindly, but occasionally irritatingly lecturesome? More thoughtful and reflective than sharp and witty?

Well, that's not not right.

3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in conclusion, but in approach)
There really is no one person who I'd see as some sort of intellectual kindred spirit. I am more likely to find myself nodding along vigorously with certain posters than with others--sean, Irvine, Lies, BonosSaint, anitram and Vincent all come to mind, and there probably are others--but that's only a 'sometimes,' not an 'always.' Understanding the broad characteristics of how all the regulars around here tend to think and argue is important to me (perhaps to a fault), and it always bugs me when I encounter the occasional person whose thought patterns seem exceptionally difficult to trace.

4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?
The reason I was pressing for detail as to what exactly this means is that in my experience, 'alpha' is often used in a somewhat pejorative or resentful (or perhaps self-deprecating) sense, at least when applied to people. So I'll limit myself to what I see as positive takes on the term.

Irvine has always struck me as the most socially effective person in here, so I guess in that sense I perceive him as 'the alpha.' (He is also, of course, very articulate and perceptive.) If we're talking something more on the order of 'intellectual heavyweights,' then to me melon and A_W stand out as exceptionally quick and sharp-minded, probably the best at whipping out a well-reasoned and well-supported argument in short order.

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the alpha or stay away?
No particular tendency, I don't think. If a post really intrigues me in some way (which doesn't necessarily mean a 'positive' response), then most likely I'll reply to it, unless the poster strikes me as being unwilling to listen on this particular issue, or has made such a thorough case for his or her point of view that I have nothing to add. But that's true regardless of who the poster is, really.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore differences?
Definitely the latter, though probably it often doesn't look that way. My thought process is much more likely to be " 'Interesting points, but here are some nuances you're overlooking'--let's see how you respond" than it is to be "No, you're wrong, the correct answer is _______ , and here are reasons X, Y and Z why."

7. What do you bring to the forum?
Too many parentheticals, "that said"s and other qualifiers, assorted trivia on various political and theological topics, respect and regard for all the regulars (and most of the not-so-regulars), and the odd smackdown here and there.




...Nice to talk about something other than the elections and Iraq for a change, isn't it?
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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?

I'm honestly sure what this means...

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would
describe you? Are they right?

Passionate, compassionate, sometimes arrogant, confrontational, sometimes witty...

Are they right? No. I'm really not this confrontational or arrogant in real life AT all, I'm very easy going...

3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)

Not in conclusion, but Dreadsox and Phillyfan.

4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?

I think we've all had our moments... I'm not sure if there's one that is consistantly the alpha.

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?

Well the closest to an alpha, on an intellectual level I would say is Melon. And I usually think the same way in conclusion, but not always in approach.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?

Most of the time to change, or at least challenge. I think if you can challenge someone and they may realize some fault in their thinking they may be able to change. and vice versa...

7. What do you bring to the forum?

Still figuring that out...
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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?

I actually think my online persona is remarkably similar to that of my own.

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would
describe you? Are they right?


I think they'd say I'm passionate and come off older than I am. Probably some think I can exxagerate or go over the edge from time to time. For the most part, it's an accurate assessment.

3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)


Diemen and unico.

4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?

Yolland, no contest. Not by force, but by the most balanced, worldly viewpoint I've ever seen. I think I'm actually slightly afraid after each post I make that Yolland could come in and, in the kindest, most patient way, tear it to shreads.

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?


I prefer to sit in awe of the alpha.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?


Depends on the discussion. There are some issues that I'm not going to change my position on, so then it's probably to change minds. Other than that, I'd say I tend to try to explore differences.

7. What do you bring to the forum?

Myself, noise, and the rise and fall of struckpx.
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Re: FYM survey

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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?
All the parts of myself I try to hide in real life.


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2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would
describe you? Are they right?
I hope they think of me as thougthful, intelligent, honest m willing to see both sides of an issue and admit if I'm wrong. I hope I'm seen as respectful and kind. I'd like to think I'm viewed as humble--but the fact is I usually do feel I'm right all of the time

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3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)
Probably Irvine and BonosSaint.

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4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?
Melon and Yolland. They've earned that dominance though. They do their homework virtually every time they post in way that few of the rest of us do (or at least I don't). We all act as if we know what we're talking about. They actually do and we all know it.

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5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?
None of the above. I don't always agree with them and when I don't, I will say so, but I always respect the solidity of their posts and I can usually learn something from them even when I disagree.

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6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?
I post in FYM and I read in FYM for different reasons. When I post I do so because I like to discuss and debate. I want to see if I can change someone else's mind or if they can change mine. I read because I like to hear different points of view.

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7. What do you bring to the forum?
I think I bring my unique perspective on life, politics, and the world. I think everyone here does that.
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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?

I don't know what this means.

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would
describe you? Are they right?

Crazy and flakey, and they are absolutely wrong, whilst also a little right. But mostly, they have not the slightest idea and are missing the point.

3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)

Financeguy.

4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?

I don't know what this means. If it means what I think it means, Achtung Bubba.

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?

I have a tendency to lurk.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?

I'd post only and ever to change minds, whilst realising it's a futile effort, but if you have a point of view, you ought to stand by it. Like I'd know, as I lurk, as mentioned above.

7. What do you bring to the forum?

Absolutely nothing. So what?
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Re: FYM survey

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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?
I'm not sure what this means.

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2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would
describe you? Are they right?
Well, most people would probably describe my views as wrong . I don't really care either way how I would described here.


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3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)
I'm not too sure of people's thinking styles, but I guess I'd compare myself to the younger folk here, seeing as I'm one myself.


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4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?
I'm gonna say deep.


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5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?
It's hard to say. He's always got interesting things to say, a lot of which I agree with and some I don't.


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6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?
Well I know I probably won't change any minds here, so of the two I would pick the latter.


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7. What do you bring to the forum?
Views that are seen as being in the minority here, and are certainly underrepresented here- mostly conservative views. And as long as conservatives are massively outnumbered, I shall stay
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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?
I had to google to find that word...and I still don't get it. But I think my ignorance is quite transparent so I'm guessing that wouldn't fall under the "stuff I don't show" label. Though...I still didn't answer the question. Moving on...

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would
describe you? Are they right?

Ooooh I asked this once. These were my responses:

Idealistic. Serious, but even the most serious things can be approached with a sense of humor. Funny and playful. Hard worker. Compassionate listener with a strong sense of justice for the most vulnerable. Wants to be involved, cannot stay on the sidelines. - BonosSaint

compassionate, brave, funny, kind, very ambitious. awesome - U2Girl416

You are the roughest roughest roughest. Also, you are the toughest toughest toughest.
Bright. Inquisitive. Extroverted. Empathetic. Engaged. - No spoken words

This questionnaire ain't worth my time. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. - UberBeaver

Way cool. Funny. Someone who always, always makes me smile and makes me think. Intelligent. Someone with heart and soul. Joyful (and that, in spite of the deep sadness and grieving you've experienced in the past year). - maycocksean




Um...I see some themes emerge from those responses so I guess they are onto something.

3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)


U2Democrat needs to start paying rent for all the time she spends in my head. And then there's the "P to the mutha fuckin F to the DOS a la SEIS, BIATCH!!!"

4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?
Yolland
I've been pwned by her before. It was an awe-inspiring experience.

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?

Um...option D) Squeal, giggle, clap, and grow wrinkles in my brain. That's what her posts usually make me do.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?

In the beginning, I was on a "Spread the Kooch" mission. But now...not so much. I guess it depends on what is being discussed.

7. What do you bring to the forum?

I used to give sunshine ratings in the critical analysis thread.
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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?

Hm, I'm generally a person who hides certain parts, and like yolland I often stay away from making jokes that could come across different than intended (I've got a rather black humor, same as my brother, so we will exchange those jokes).

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would describe you?

Good question. I'm very bad in assuming what other people think of me, so well, probably they see me as being liberal, maybe my attempts to be witty come through, but I certainly can't say much.

Are they right?

Taking the American political spectrum, yes, for the rest, hopefully.

3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in conclusion, but in approach)

Hm, I couldn't really say whose thinking patterns would be similar to me. When it comes to being similar in views I would say with the odd exception I generally agree with the liberal posters here.

4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?

Definitely melon, yolland and Irvine. mellon and yolland don't post too often, but when they do write something it's always a very in-depth analysis and they are showing these nuances to topics where you are really embarrassed that you did take such a shallow approach, but I think this is important.
They are also great in their eloquence and for me they are a great challenge to understand them. Their level of english is certainly somewhere I think I will hardly ever get to, but it's interesting to read those posts nevertheless.
Irvine is very outspoken and also good in pointing out certain nuances which often get overlooked, at least by myself, and a very good debater, and he draws a lot attention towards him in my view, but in a very posiitive way.

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?

I certainly would just go down in miliseconds if I were to challenge yolland or melon, and mostly I agree with them and take a lot of their posts. As we have very similar viewpoints I have yet to challenge them, I think.
I only recall one discussion with Irvine where we had different viewpoints, and that was a rather long one I think. But a good one, as well.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?

I certainly want to get my view of things across, and sometimes of course I would like to change minds. But most often I rather tend to explore differences and think there is quite a lot of discussions where I learned some things about a topic by getting pointed toward parts of the topic I hadn't seen or grasped, or by information I didn't have before.
I'e gotten my share of quick education here, I think.
I don't like to beat dead horses, so sometimes when I see the discussion will just continue to go in circles I won't "waste" my time there.

7. What do you bring to the forum?

A different kind of English.
Probably the view of continental Europe, as I'm the only one outside the UK or Ireland who posts here regularly I think. But, on the other hand, I can only speak from a certain German perspective, hence I'm missing people from other European countries here.
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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?

I do find this question baffling. So I’ll just take a stab at what I think it means. And I think the answer is that I am probably more prurient in here than I am in real life, if we are removing the sexual component of the definition for “prurient,” which it seems we are. I am far more aggressive in here than I would be in real life, so in many ways, you all get the worst of me. Though when I do take the time to edit and think about what I’m posting, I’m able to try to acknowledge the other point of view, whereas if I were in an actual heated discussion in real life, I might be more quickly dismissive and would probably use somewhat manipulative body langue, tone, and narrowed eyes to convey my point.

I don’t do that anymore. If you had found me in a pub in Europe the year after I graduated from college and I had drunk a great big chip onto my shoulder that evening, then you might find someone more aggressive than I am in real life, these days. I’ve been mellowed with age.

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would
describe you? Are they right?


intelligent, articulate, nuanced, willing to dig to get at a deeper truth, self-critical, sometimes funny, often a bit quick on the draw, maybe needs to take a deep breath before posting, occasionally too dismissive, and sometimes too willing to go for the easy, cheap sucker punch than take a step back and be an adult about the situation.

They’d be right, insofar as we’d be discussing these topics in real life.


3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)


I see elements of myself in many posters, but in some ways, I do feel unique in that I don’t find as many people who let their hearts influence their head as much as I do. Or vice versa. So where I admire the well constructed arguments of, say, Yolland or Melon or A_W, they tend to argue from a much more clinical standpoint. Maybe I should just do my homework more, but I find myself unable to articulate a position that doesn’t have some sort of emotional component to it, or that I’ve got some sort of emotional dog in the fight. This is why economic issues don’t interest me as much as, say, war or the run-of-the-mill social issue.

Really thinking about it, perhaps the closest to this meld of head and heart is Sean. Or maybe even Nathan1977. As much as I disagree, I find him a pleasure to read, probably because I respond to his exemplary sensitivity. I usually find myself giving the old to many of anitram’s posts. Martha often says the things I think but am too chicken to say out loud. And I just plain old like joyfulgirl. And Dread. I also adore many of AngelaHarlem’s posts. No one cuts to the quick of things quite like she does. and i appreciate all non-American posts because I wish we had more of an international perspective in here.

And there are others, too, but too numerous to mention.

4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?

probably Yolland, though it’s a rare person who challenges Melon or A_W on a purely factual level. Deep has a strange ability to carry quite a bit of authority in a very unique way.

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?


I think I tend to defer, attempt to tangent to add another wrinkle in the topic, or take issue with something specific. No matter what, I try to choose my battles with said Alpha(s) very carefully.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?


It depends on the topic, time of day, and my present mood. It probably works out more that I’m seeking to change minds, or at least attempting to complicate what I might find to be a simplistic analysis or understanding. So, yeah, probably 80% of the time I’m trying to win hearts and minds, but I find that, by far, my most rewarding experiences in FYM is when I turn the lens back on myself and discover something I never knew existed. It can be like therapy that way.

7. What do you bring to the forum?

Other than my ‘obvious’ social difference, I think I’m probably able to give a sense of emotional urgency to specific topics. I feel like there are many people who do more homework than I do, people who are better at crafting arguments, but what I do think I’m able to do is craft a good-enough argument and add a sense of emotional purpose to it that, I hope, others find compelling. But other than that, I suppose, I’m just another run-of-the-mill city slicker liberal from the northeastern US who thinks he knows what’s best for everybody.
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Forget Alpha, who's the Omega of the forum?

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you can be my Alpha any time.

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...what I do think I’m able to do is craft a good-enough argument and add a sense of emotional purpose to it that, I hope, others find compelling.
I think that's very well-put, ties into why I tend to see you as an "alpha" and, when I turn it around, probably also goes a long way towards explaining why I on the other hand tend to have a total tin ear for how to start a discussion, as opposed to jumping into one already underway--I have neither your gift for conveying "a sense of emotional purpose," nor, say, MrsS's knack for recognizing which news stories are most likely to spark a good discussion. Not sure if this ties into the "clinical standpoint" thing or not--melon, I think, is very good at starting discussions when he gets the time, and A_W is certainly better at it than I am--but it does ring true.
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