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Old 12-03-2007, 06:19 PM   #21
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What the hell does that have to do with anything?
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Having difficulty understanding why this story is worth giving two tosses over one way or the other...
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The same way some of us prefer questions at presidential debates be asked by journalists rather than say, talking snowmen.
Pfft, the only reason why the snowman wasn't at the Republican debate is because he wasn't available.

Damn global warming.
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What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Yikes! Now my validity (or lack there of) is in question.
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Well, I imagine your goal here was to defend Fox News, which I guessed by your Viva Fox News Channel post.

I'm waiting for a legitimate defense.
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Well, I imagine your goal here was to defend Fox News, which I guessed by your Viva Fox News Channel post.

I'm waiting for a legitimate defense.
I'll defend Fox News if you have to defend The Center for Constitutional Rights which produced the ad.
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I didn't say Viva CCR.
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A TV station will not air something that is likely to offend its target audience. It was, most likely--and unsurprisingly, a business decision.
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The fact that they have more viewers than CNN and MSNBC combined validates, at the least, their business model. That their loudest detractors succumb to hysteria at their mere existence validates their raison d'être.
'Real' news can be pretty boring. Some ten minute explanation of some uninteresting election in some far off, hard to pronounce country = bo-or-or-ring. Over the top personalities screaming hysterical and deliberately provokative rubbish at you is far more entertaining. Everyone understands that - it is a very simple and successful business model that was bound to come about at some time.

My real beef though is with CNN who have allowed themselves to be dragged down by Fox. Fox is not a news channel. It's an entertainment/opinion channel. It doesn't often actually present news. It's quick on the ground to cover and fixate on a story should a major one break - complete with the all important entertaining graphics and music, often a hilarious headline/nickname for the story - but when do they just give you a rundown of what is going on around the world? Rarely. Very, very rarely. And mostly only related to the topics they love, that come pre-packaged with an angle they love.

If conservatives are okay with the most dominant and public window into their beliefs being such a moronic and ridiculous thing, fine by me. If you're okay that most people who find out that you watch and buy into Fox will probably think you are, to be frank, dumb, fine by me. I'm glad there's not an equivalent coming from the 'other' side, and that's what I hate seeing from CNN. Little bits and pieces here and there, where they're falling for the Fox route.

CNN are not the same thing as Fox and they shouldn't allow themselves to head that way. Stick to the actual news, leave the childish hysteria to Fox. Go ahead and stick to the 'boring' story about the election in the far off country while Sean Hannity is over at Fox frothing at the mouth over a mall that doesn't have a nativity scene up or some other equally ridiculous thing.
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If you want real news, watch BBC World.
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Yeah, my order would be Sky (Australian), BBC World, then CNN if I want something US-centric.
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A TV station will not air something that is likely to offend its target audience. It was, most likely--and unsurprisingly, a business decision.
It isn't noted in the original post, but are we to assume that this ad IS running or will be run on CNN and MSNBC? Only FNC said no?

Also, no mention of this story at ccrjustice.org.
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It isn't noted in the original post, but are we to assume that this ad IS running or will be run on CNN and MSNBC? Only FNC said no?
I don't know, but it's possible. Most TV networks/stations run any ad attached to a check, so I wouldn't take it as a tacit endorsement. Again, it's business. FOX News, in a cost-benefit analysis, decided that the cost of running the ad outweighed the benefit of the ad revenue, likely due to considerations about its right-wing branding and target audience.

Economics, at the heart of the matter, is amoral.
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According to the Chicago Tribune, yes, it's scheduled to run on MSNBC and CNN.

And ccrjustice.org's page for the ad in question boasts "This ad was rejected by Fox News. Find out Why" which I guess qualifies as a 'mention.'

However, while I generally agree with Earnie's characterization of Fox News' penchant for histrionic pandering (as well as the depressing signs of its spread to other networks), I think melon's right about the actual thread topic--there's no story here really.
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I don't know, but it's possible. Most TV networks/stations run any ad attached to a check, so I wouldn't take it as a tacit endorsement. Again, it's business. FOX News, in a cost-benefit analysis, decided that the cost of running the ad outweighed the benefit of the ad revenue, likely due to considerations about its right-wing branding and target audience.

Economics, at the heart of the matter, is amoral.
Or...using your "target audience" theory, maybe the CCR felt running an ad accusing President Bush of "destroying the Constitution" on CNN or MSNBC would be an exercise in redundancy.
Or...maybe it's simply that the Center for Constitutional Rights choose Fox News because they wanted their ad to, you know, actually be seen.
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Or...using your "target audience" theory, maybe the CCR felt running an ad accusing President Bush of "destroying the Constitution" on CNN or MSNBC would be an exercise in redundancy.
The Chicago Tribute, above, answers this point.

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Or...maybe it's simply that the Center for Constitutional Rights choose Fox News because they wanted their ad to, you know, actually be seen.
If that was the case, then they'd be better off advertising on the national broadcast networks. Cable television is so fragmented that no single station generally achieves more than a 3 rating, on average. That's on par with PBS.
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According to the Chicago Tribune, yes, it's scheduled to run on MSNBC and CNN.

And ccrjustice.org's page for the ad in question boasts "This ad was rejected by Fox News. Find out Why" which I guess qualifies as a 'mention.'

However, while I generally agree with Earnie's characterization of Fox News' penchant for histrionic pandering (as well as the depressing signs of its spread to other networks), I think melon's right about the actual thread topic--there's no story here really.
Did you have to "search" the site? http://ccrjustice.org doesn't list it under "latest news", or "press releases." Anyway, thanks for answering my question and providing the link.
I'm just in shock that the Chicago Trib would actually, and rightly, label Media Matters "a liberal advocacy group."

Surely they must know that will only cause people to question the newspaper's validity (or lack thereof).
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Would this be the same Danny Glover that has nothing but praise and admiration for Communist dictators like Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez? If so, are we really supposed to take seriously anything this man says about human rights, democracy, constitutional protections or freedom of the press?
So he's narrating it. Does that automatically make the argument of the ad any less valid? I didn't even know, until you brought it up, what Danny Glover's political views were, and I don't know how many others out there are aware of that. I highly doubt most viewers are going to be that concerned about Glover's personal views. I'd think they'd be more interested in the ad's topic.

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Viva Fox News Channel.
Ergh. If you like the channel, fine, and while I fully agree news stations should try and remain as neutral and calm as possible, if Fox News wants a more conservative leaning, just like some other media outlets have a bit more of a liberal leaning, that's fine-keep the balance and all that good stuff.

But the fact that Fox tries to insist it's "fair and balanced" is laughable. And, as pointed out, they're just as prone to hysteria as any other news channel is. The few times I've come across that channel all I see is a bunch of people yelling over each other, and it's obnoxious to listen to. I fully agree, the other news outlets should not dumb themselves down to that level, it's sad some are.

Anywho, regarding the actual topic at hand...meh. It's their channel, they don't have to run the ad if they wish not to, but it's a shame they aren't. I think that'd be one worth showing.

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