For those who are blind and believe in George W. Bush

[ponkine]

How stupid you´re people. Have you ever heard other images like French documentaries about U.S and Saudi Arabian Mafia, leading by George Bush ?
Have you ever heard about frienship between George Bush and Osama´s family ?
Have you ever heard about "Irak After Sadam" plan... IN 2000, before your loved and needed 11 September ?...by the way...

LOOK AT THIS !!!

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main

 

[U2Kitten]

I don't 'believe' in Bush, but I also don't believe in such outrageous conspiracy theories and propaganda as this

 

[nbcrusader]

How stupid you´re people.

How stupid is this post? Go pass judgment somewhere else.

 

[MaxFisher]

Ponkine,
Learn to write a coherent sentence before you accuse others of being stupid. Go spread your insane views elsewhere.

 

[BVS]

Attacking people will not get your point across. There's way too much of that in here already.

 

[-macphisto-]

hey ponkine from chile, worry about yourself and your own country.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

How stupid you´re people. Have you ever heard other images like French documentaries about U.S and Saudi Arabian Mafia, leading by George Bush ?
Have you ever heard about frienship between George Bush and Osama´s family ?
Have you ever heard about "Irak After Sadam" plan... IN 2000, before your loved and needed 11 September ?...by the way...

LOOK AT THIS !!!

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main

thank you for that... have you ever heard of one of osama bin laden's relatives who's a pop star in europe? have you ever heard that there's approx. 100 or so members of the bin laden family, and many of them have changed their name so as not to be mixed up with their outcasted brother?

i love how people want me to believe that george bush is not only a stupid, moronic monkey, but he is also the leader of this vast conspiracy to take over the world. the two don't seem to go hand in hand.

here are some more quotes about the pentagon for ya smart guy

"'I was right underneath the plane,' said Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395 when he said he saw the plane heading for the Pentagon. 'I heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles,' said Milburn. 'It was like a WHOOOSH whoosh, then there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second explosion."

This Picture shows two vehicles on Route 27 that were damaged by light pole debris, clipped by the aircraft as it passed overhead and across Route 27, then plowed into the Pentagon. The pole to the left is one of several that were clipped by the aircraft. The pole is also not complete, you can see it was sheered at the top."

-Washington Post

and look at that... a piece of a jet engine in the debris at the pentagon

take your baseless lies and conspiracies elsewhere... they are not welcome here.

 

[U2_Guy]

hey ponkine from chile, worry about yourself and your own country.

Like the USA did on the Allende episode?

Wait a minute, i'm talking to an american...he doesn't know who Allende is...

 

[A_Wanderer]

Of course he wouldn't know the name of the socialist leader of Chile overthrown and killed in a coup that brought Pinochet to power that many say was orchestrated by Kissinger because he is one of those dumb Americans that I keep hearing so much about.

 

[U2_Guy]

Of course he wouldn't know the name of the socialist leader of Chile overthrown and killed in a coup that brought Pinochet to power that many say was orchestrated by Kissinger because he is one of those dumb Americans that I keep hearing so much about.

I see your google search's working fine today, aussie.

 

[U2_Guy]

Bush says "We have one country, one Constitution and one future that binds us." Leaving aside the issue that this sounds suspiciously like Sauron from Lord of the Rings, I fail to see how a president who has actively been the most divisive in modern times can say this with a straight face.

With a record turnout and, excepting 2000, the closest race in a century, America is now one country but two deeply-divided nations: white religious fanatics and everyone else.

I am impressed that a majority of Americans obviously put morals and religion before their economic interests, but anyone seriously now say that USA 04 is that different from other recent examples of dangerous fundamentalism.

The anti-gay, anti (legal) abortion, racist, gun-loving, and apple pie brigade now have their era, possibly in a way never seen before. Add to that a couple of more nuts on the Supreme Court to upset the already difficult conservative/liberal divide and you have a serious problem.

Maybe Bush deserves a chance, but he said pretty much the same thing in 2000 and we all know what happened then.

9/11 has made him more rabid for sure. We are now, officially, in the era of Bush. As a non-citizen, it does not matter at all to me whether Americans are a majority of religious nuts. But non-citizens are entitled to annoyed when that fanatacism becomes part of mainstream foreign policy by the leading global power. I feel sorry for Palestinians waking up this morning to 4 more years of Bush.

 

[A_Wanderer]

Cry me a river, we don't get a vote on the issue because it is the American President - and I as a foreigner have absolutely no problem with that, you on the other hand seem resigned to whine about the result and the stupidity of the American people, dare I suggest that you are being the slightest bit condacending and elitest?

Ask yourself what would you be saying in the event of a Kerry victory?

I would be saying that the people have spoken, I don't like it and I may have been on the loosing side but it doesn't make my make my argument wrong. Your not presenting your point of view you are attacking and blaming others, for shame.

 

[U2_Guy]

Cry me a river, we don't get a vote on the issue because it is the American President - and I as a foreigner have absolutely no problem with that, you on the other hand seem resigned to whine about the result and the stupidity of the American people, dare I suggest that you are being the slightest bit condacending and elitest?

Blah, blah, blah... the same "cry me a river" answer time and time again...

It's already old, my boy...

 

[A_Wanderer]

It's old because I wont bother wasting new punchlines on the usual crap.

Oh lord, grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls, the courage to debate with honest opponents, and the wisdom to know the difference.

 

[U2_Guy]

Bush won this election by frightening Americans and was helped in this by Osama bin Laden’s curiously timed sermon.

As President of the USA he becomes a leader of the western civilization. Yet, by doing to others what he does not wish done to himself, he supports the opposite to true Christian values.

I hope that European leaders will stand out to defend us from this new American maniqueism and take advantage of the genuine anti-Bush sentiment prevailing everywhere in Europe to liberate us from American defence protectionism thus clearing the way to make Europe a truly independent pillar of Western civilization.

 

[A_Wanderer]

Viva Dhimmi Revolution!

 

[carrieluvv]

U2 guy I know youre trying to prove a point that Bush 4 more years will somehow affect you and the world and it will but its not clear how yet.
unless your some kind of psychic...which i can tell your not cuz your on an emotional rampage which suggests your surprised things didnt turn out as you had hoped
I can see how a little jaunt on this forum to give us amerians a little poke and call us names (even though the majority of people on this forum probably voted for Kerry ) may be satifactory and yeah we'll be sports and take it, but you keep going on.

while this isnt a mole hill, your making it into a mountain.

You keep mentioning The United States demise- like you want it to happen- and you are entitled to feel that way..
im just curious as to why ?
Is it just cuz its fun to get on here and go off ?

make your point and then calm down man ! were gonna get through this

 

[A_Wanderer]

I just smell a pissed off, condacending and enlightened European venting how the ignorant masses were tricked into voting for Bush. The simmering anti-American sentiment is released and just like anti-Semitism "it isn't wrong if they deserve it". One might call it a pathological hatred.

I ask you - who is the one that is afraid and acting irrationally here.

 

[paulrg]

All I have to say that although you might not like Ponkine's views if you travel to many countries outside of the US you will hear much of the same. The US has a SERIOUS image problem right now, rightly or wrongly...

 

[U2_Guy]

U2 guy I know youre trying to prove a point that Bush 4 more years will somehow affect you and the world and it will but its not clear how yet.
unless your some kind of psychic...which i can tell your not cuz your on an emotional rampage which suggests your surprised things didnt turn out as you had hoped
I can see how a little jaunt on this forum to give us amerians a little poke and call us names (even though the majority of people on this forum probably voted for Kerry ) may be satifactory and yeah we'll be sports and take it, but you keep going on.

while this isnt a mole hill, your making it into a mountain.

You keep mentioning The United States demise- like you want it to happen- and you are entitled to feel that way..
im just curious as to why ?
Is it just cuz its fun to get on here and go off ?

make your point and then calm down man ! were gonna get through this

I'm calm. And at least you got my point: this election affects not only the US but the whole world.

 

[carrieluvv]

lets all straighten out our shirts and take a few aspirin and put an ice bag on our heads

ELECTION HANGOVER

 

[BorderGirl]

The United States unlike some other parts of the world is a democracy. With that comes the good, the bad and the ugly and as Americans we are called to embrace it all.
Living Democracy is ongoing. We must stay awake to the fact that it will be challenged over and over again, especially by the ideas of socialism, and fundamentalism.
I love Europe, but it makes me sad that by way of economics the government is slowly becoming mother, father, etc., over there.

 

[ponkine]

All I have to say that although you might not like Ponkine's views if you travel to many countries outside of the US you will hear much of the same. The US has a SERIOUS image problem right now, rightly or wrongly...

Sadly, that´s nothing but the truth . As I said once, I don´t hate U.S people, but I really HATE U.S foreign policy. Most of the world really hate U.S foreign policy, and the U.S "friends" countries, like UK, are afraid of U.S, and they think what could happen in case they weren´t, I mean, "You must be with us, otherwise...".The most sad fact is how so many people still believe in everything, every word, every act done by Bush, CIA, Pentagon, FBI, etc.

Wake Up, Wake Up Dead Men

 

[nbcrusader]

All I have to say that although you might not like Ponkine's views if you travel to many countries outside of the US you will hear much of the same. The US has a SERIOUS image problem right now, rightly or wrongly...

Serious to the foreign countries. Perhaps instead of insisting that the US has it wrong, perhaps the foreign countries have it wrong. Perhaphs it is somewhere in the middle.

 

[Bonochick]

How stupid you´re people.

Name-calling is not allowed here. Please refrain from such activity and be respectful. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to bash people for their opinions.

 

[deep]

Serious to the foreign countries. Perhaps instead of insisting that the US has it wrong, perhaps the foreign countries have it wrong. Perhaphs it is somewhere in the middle.

Saddam after taking Quwait

Serious to the foreign countries. Perhaps instead of insisting that the Iraq has it wrong, perhaps the foreign countries have it wrong. Perhaphs it is somewhere in the middle.

 

[SouthPark(R)]

Bush won this election by frightening Americans and was helped in this by Osama bin Laden’s curiously timed sermon.

yes all planned by K ROVE!

 

[U2Traveller]

yes all planned by K ROVE!

No.

He's just smart. He knows the real issues and what matters...and Karl Rove, coming from a traditionally Republic state knows how to get the Republicans and those who MIGHT vote Republican out.

I don't believe at ALL that it was through fear or hate tactics. Not at all. That is truly, truly insulting and putting down every Republican out there which is making Democrats look more and more ugly all the time even to independents.

Karl Rove just knows how to win. They interviewed his professor here in Utah, and he is very unhappy with the outcome, he doesn't like Bush, but he says he can't deny that Rove knows how to win, always did.

People may say Bush is stupid, but I think that's stupid to say when he knows how to surround himself with VERY smart people, like Rove, and his spokeswoman, etc. So, coming from a businessperson, which I am, who has to worry about how to win people's "votes", that makes Bush very smart.

 

[bsp77]

Democrats are starting to look worse and worse in this forum with their constant insulting and doomsaying. Grow up and debate in a mature fashion.

 

[deep]

Rove knows how to win, always did.

He is also morally bankrupt.


Ask John McCain

Ask W's father a man most can respect,
even if they disagree with him,
why he fired Rove.

If you want to be proud of someone from Utah, Levelle is a better choice.