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Old 02-05-2008, 10:00 PM   #261
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first, there are a bunch of incentives to travel within the Commonwealth that Americans are not privy too.

it's a huge place. if i want warm weather, i just go to Florida. if i want to ski, i go to Colorado. there's no reason to travel unless your intention is to do just that -- travel and see other countries.

but you're talking to someone who adores travel, and would happily live in other countries (and has done so, for a relatively brief period of time).

it's getting more popular, though, as more and more people start to go abroad in college.

now if you'd all stop making us feel so unwelcome, maybe we'd travel more ...
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I particularly love the American southwest. I've never seen anything like it, and it I spent a month down there a couple of years ago in the late spring and just fell in love.
Agreed.

It's a unique area. NM and Arizona blow me away.
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Got it.

I cannot explain to you how amazing all of my trips overseas have been.
Did you go with other people?
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Down the road. My parents never have, but I want to.

I guess I've been using "leave" interchangably. I intend to travel, but I can't see myself moving out of the US. Not yet, anyway.
I think that may change as you grow and see other places. You get a different sense of the global society and how small our world really is in the end.

If you can travel during college, that is one of the best times. Any money I had or earned during that time, I spent on travel. Best moments of my life.
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first, there are a bunch of incentives to travel within the Commonwealth that Americans are not privy too.
Which would those be, exactly?
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now if you'd all stop making us feel so unwelcome, maybe we'd travel more ...
Irvine, g-d knows you're a lot more well traveled and knowledgeable than I am...but, where did you go that you felt unwelcome?

I have been to a few countries, and did not do the "I'm from Canada" thing, and found most people fairly warm and welcoming. Maybe they'd be incredulous or worse in regards to our President, but they treated me well.
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I think that may change as you grow and see other places. You get a different sense of the global society and how small our world really is in the end.

If you can travel during college, that is one of the best times. Any money I had or earned during that time, I spent on travel. Best moments of my life.
Everyone says that to me. You can't all be wrong. I definitely think it's worth trying a few times.
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And Axver, I have huge issues with US policies, but it is a stunningly beautiful country. I've seen more than half of it, and have spent many months there. Anyone I have ever met has been nothing but kind and gracious. Some of my favourite memories are actually from the US south, particularly Georgia. I met many people there that I have nothing in common with. They found my family somewhat of an oddity. But nevertheless they were wonderfully warm to us personally (even with the slow, LOUD "wow. you. speak. english. VERY. WELL." to my mother, a university prof). And yes, Boston is lovely.
What I found very hard to deal with is that so many people I met in the US who treated me well and were very friendly have socio-political views that are completely fucked up and are astonishingly ignorant about the rest of the world. I went with a friend to a Southern Baptist church and got a very warm and inclusive welcome - but internally, I felt very isolated, as I was at the time a liberal Christian, and I imagine I'd feel even worse now that I'm an agnostic. I was terrified during the sermon.

I found it to be a very contradictory, confusing country. My feelings are quite mixed. Obviously in a political thread like this, my negative feelings are going to come out quite strongly. I'm not at all writing off every American and I hope I haven't given that impression, but very large chunks of US society leave me flabbergasted and frankly seem backwards.
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Dalton, when I was in Japan, Yankee games were on at 8am I believe....they televise each game because of Matsui (the player, not the interlander), and so I'd wake up at 7:30am and get ready for the day, then watch the Yanks.....little slice of home.
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Which would those be, exactly?


you can get a visa to live and work in the UK for 2 years, for example.

we can only get one for 6 months, and they are harder to come by.
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Which would those be, exactly?
Australians, New Zealanders and Canadians can live in the U.K. for up to two years (2 I believe for Canadians and 1 for Aussies now) and I believe they're also allowed to live in each of the other countries as well for a certain period of time. (It's known as SWAP in Canada - Travel Cuts handles it). I used it to spend my first year in England back in '94.
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What I found very hard to deal with is that so many people I met in the US who treated me well and were very friendly have socio-political views that are completely fucked up and are astonishingly ignorant about the rest of the world. I went with a friend to a Southern Baptist church and got a very warm and inclusive welcome - but internally, I felt very isolated, as I was at the time a liberal Christian, and I imagine I'd feel even worse now that I'm an agnostic. I was terrified during the sermon.

I found it to be a very contradictory, confusing country. My feelings are quite mixed. Obviously in a political thread like this, my negative feelings are going to come out quite strongly. I'm not at all writing off every American and I hope I haven't given that impression, but very large chunks of US society leave me flabbergasted and frankly seem backwards.
The South confuses the hell out of me too. I have an aunt down there, kind-hearted as can be, completely whacky.
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Irvine, g-d knows you're a lot more well traveled and knowledgeable than I am...but, where did you go that you felt unwelcome?


i'm exaggerating, but when you get into political discussions, there's a tendency to hold the American in the room accountable for all the ill in the world, and there's a dismissiveness towards anything the US does that's frankly unintelligent.

and any traveler in Paris -- American or not -- should expect to feel unwelcome at certain points.

i also think there's a formality and almost coldness in Europe that is not present in the US. people simply are friendlier over here. and less formal. even in the supposedly cold-hearted northeast.
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Dalton, when I was in Japan, Yankee games were on at 8am I believe....they televise each game because of Matsui (the player, not the interlander), and so I'd wake up at 7:30am and get ready for the day, then watch the Yanks.....little slice of home.


Baseball for breakfast? I've had that dream!
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Dalton, when I was in Japan, Yankee games were on at 8am I believe....they televise each game because of Matsui (the player, not the interlander), and so I'd wake up at 7:30am and get ready for the day, then watch the Yanks.....little slice of home.
I did the same thing with Canadiens games when I lived in China, except they weren't televised, so I listened to them on the Internets.
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now if you'd all stop making us feel so unwelcome, maybe we'd travel more ...
Oh, come now. My closest friend is an American who goes to university here in Melbourne. She's only once encountered any kind of negative comment on her being an American, and it was in jest. I, as a New Zealander, have had a harder time in Australia than she has. My first couple of years in this country were hell.
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I found it to be a very contradictory, confusing country. My feelings are quite mixed. Obviously in a political thread like this, my negative feelings are going to come out quite strongly. I'm not at all writing off every American and I hope I haven't given that impression, but very large chunks of US society leave me flabbergasted and frankly seem backwards.


i feel exactly the same way. i probably have way more in common with you than i do with Memphis's family.
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but very large chunks of US society leave me flabbergasted and frankly seem backwards.
Me too and I live here.
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