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Old 02-05-2008, 09:40 PM   #221
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Just watching Mitt Romney now. This guy's nationalistic "the US is the greatest" boasting is absolutely hysterical to an outsider. I have to wonder if he's ever been anywhere else. It sounds like he hasn't got a fucking clue.
Bush had never been to Europe prior to running for President. That tidbit blew me away as he made his bid for the Republican nod.

I'm starting to get pissed off.
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As a social democrat and an agnostic, thank God I do not live in the US. It's bad enough being in Australia where there's enough of a fringe minority to keep Family First on its feet.
It's bad, Axver. It's bad.

There are some Republicans that are legit. I emphasize some.



I don't really have the option of moving yet, being still in high school and looking into colleges. I don't know where I'd go, though.
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Martina, it's crossed my mind a lot the past 3 years.
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Current tally:

Clinton--Oklahoma, Tennessee*, Arkansas, New York*, New Jersey*, Massachusetts*
Obama--Illinois*, Georgia*, Delaware, Alabama, North Dakota, Connecticut, Kansas

McCain--Delaware, New Jersey**, Connecticut, Illinois**, New York**, Oklahoma
Romney--Massachusetts, Utah**
Huckabee--West Virginia, Arkansas, Alabama


(* = rather large delegate count + significant-looking victory margin)

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Minnesota can be added for Obama as well.
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Romney sounded like he was battling a cold.
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god, Mitt's crazy national greatness stuff is EMBARRASSING.

"greatest" this and "greatest" that.

i feel as if all non-Americans need an American in the room to explain this to them, as you would explain away the crazy relatives when you bring your new boy/girlfriend to the barbecue.
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Martina, it's crossed my mind a lot the past 3 years.
Well, we would love to have you.

I have lived in 4 different countries. In that sense I feel very little patriotism of any sort. I respect and value the country I live in, but all of this "rah rah we are the best nation on the PLANET" stuff is really beyond my scope of understanding so I don't even try.

I do like where I am now. I feel like I can blend in and belong.
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That's my problem exactly.

Am agnostic, with a secular Jewish background, as well as the former.

This just often does not feel like the right country for me. I think living in NYC/LA all my life helped, but I'm in the Midwest now, and, I wonder, a lot, if maybe I need to admit that it's time for me to live somewhere that is more representative of how I think when it comes to government and religion, or, government devoid of religious overtones.
Come to Melbourne. Not only do we have the agnostic/secular stuff covered nicely, but we've got the Jewish side of things too! Melbourne apparently has the highest proportion of Holocaust survivors anywhere in the world outside of Israel.

And, well, any politician who invokes religion is generally seen here as being a bit of a loony and out of line. It will lose rather than gain votes. People want politicians making decisions for everyone, not for one exclusive religious community.
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Bush had never been to Europe prior to running for President. That tidbit blew me away as he made his bid for the Republican nod.

I'm starting to get pissed off.
Bush had never been anywhere but Mexico prior to becoming President.
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Religious overtones are fine. I know MANY more religious people that are reasonable and wise than I do the type of wacky fundamentalists that the media gives a platform to.
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Bush had never been anywhere but Mexico prior to becoming President.
Well-rounded, educated, globally aware individuals clearly do great in US politics, huh?
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^ I believe he also had a C average at Yale.
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Hey, where's Infinitum to provide his spin, his alternate reality where Ron Paul is actually having an awesome Super Tuesday and is going to be the Republican candidate? I think I'd prefer that to "Huckabee's actually winning states".
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Well-rounded, educated, globally aware individuals clearly do great in US politics, huh?


now, don't be like people who make one trip to some country and use it to confirm all of their prejudices. and don't be guilty yourself of judging 300m people on the basis of a few.

it's a great big place. politics is crazy. keep an open mind, and don't judge too harshly, seek to understand where things come from and why they happen.
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Looks like in some states that aren't officially called for yet, Clinton is leading in Arizona and Missouri while Obama might take Colorado and Idaho. Early numbers in Utah are even.
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Hey, where's Infinitum to provide his spin, his alternate reality where Ron Paul is actually having an awesome Super Tuesday and is going to be the Republican candidate?
I'll bet as CNN is calling states based on exit polls, he's "calling" them as wins for Paul because Ron Paul won every debate because Ron Paul has a good position on Iraq.
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Well, we would love to have you.

I have lived in 4 different countries. In that sense I feel very little patriotism of any sort. I respect and value the country I live in, but all of this "rah rah we are the best nation on the PLANET" stuff is really beyond my scope of understanding so I don't even try.

I do like where I am now. I feel like I can blend in and belong.
I do love my country, or did. But, I'm not big on jingoism at all. If I take time to brag, it's about my sister getting her Doctorate, or my parents celebrating a 40th anniversary, not about how fucking awesome the USA is. Sigh.

When I have traveled abroad, I have felt more at home than when I visit regions like the South. Maybe that's on me, but, maybe it's just a sad truth.
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Bush had never been anywhere but Mexico prior to becoming President.
But to be fair to him, isn't the statistic something like 80% of Americans don't own a passport?

Which I think is in a sense understandable given the size of the country and how much there is to see within the US itself. Of course, Canada is bigger and Australia is not small and we are infinitely better travelled. I don't know a single person here who has never left the country.
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Current tally:

Clinton--Oklahoma, Tennessee*, Arkansas, New York*, New Jersey, Massachusetts*
Obama--Illinois*, Georgia*, Delaware, Alabama, North Dakota, Connecticut, Kansas, Minnesota*

McCain--Delaware, New Jersey**, Connecticut, Illinois**, New York**, Oklahoma, Arizona**
Romney--Massachusetts, Utah**
Huckabee--West Virginia, Arkansas, Alabama


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