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Old 02-12-2008, 09:53 PM   #81
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There is a time and a place for it. Just not, you know, on a station for news and/or politics.
Exactly. E! is a channel specifically for celebrity/entertainment news, and they're great at it. I really am not a fan of seeing that on a channel that's supposed to be about the most important stories in the world.
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Old 02-12-2008, 09:56 PM   #82
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Let me get this straight.


Tonight: McCain interrupts Obama, and only Fox News cuts to McCain.

Yeah, there's no media bias.
That is simply not true.
I watching Barack's speech on CNN and they cut him off for McCain. I had to turn to MSNBC to see the end of it... even C-span switch from Barack to McCain.

Media bias?
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Except I don't, Axver.
You've done a good job of fooling me then.

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I certainly hope you're not including me in this. If so, I would like some examples of how I'm a "far right extremist."

And if you don't think the media is liberal, you've just become accustomed to it.
Come to Australia and you'll see what I mean. Hell, Hillary Clinton would fit in quite nicely here as the leader of the Liberal/National Coalition - which is the centre-right party. The only party further to the right to hold a seat in the Australian parliament (and just one seat, which they will lose at the next election) is Family First. They're viewed as fringe crazies here, but a good swathe of your Republicans would fit into it quite nicely. Probably you too, as I suspect even the Liberals are too far left for you.

Also, I found the American news media to, on average, be centre-right to right. I don't live in the US, so how, praytell, could I have become accustomed to it?

PS namkcuR is spot on.
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if you want good American media, check out PBS and NPR.

of course, conservatives think these are liberal, but that's just because they're doing their job.

the problem with US media is the hunt for ratings. it's all money driven. that's why PBS and NPR do such good work -- ratings are not the bottom line.

i work for media where the bottom line is ratings, and believe me, it taints the product to an unbelievable amount.
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Shall we get back to the topic?

Sweep! The enthusiasm around here is spectacular.

Looking at the county by county numbers, my county back home had huge numbers in the democratic primary, overwhelmingly for Obama. Just the number of those who voted in the Democratic primary is significant, because that is an EXTREMELY conservative county.
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I think what's quite interesting is how Obama is picking up the white male voters and women voters. I haven't been following all of the exit polls from the previous primaries, but is this a shift? And did I read that he got a significant proportion of the Hispanic vote here in VA?
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I didn't see about the Hispanic vote, but I think he won the older vote.
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I'm excited

MSNBC confirmed something I was thinking about earlier; If Hillary doesn't win the delegate count, the margin MUST be as slim as can be in order for her to play the superdelegate card, because if the margin isn't so slim, and she plays the superdelegate card in order to win the nomination, the backlash will be such that she'll be absolutely screwed in the general election.
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PBS programming is great. A lot of their stuff shows up on our equivalent channels here (ABC/SBS).

And yes, ratings, ratings, ratings. And don't think Fox won't swing away from being a right-wing junk tabloid station the second being that stops paying the bills. Like it appears to be for most things on the conservative side of the US, the majority are getting taking for a ride by the few, and as per usual, it's for massive profit only.
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OK yes Obama won the Latino vote by 10 points in Virginia.
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U2democrat - did you see this?:

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Obama: Virginia governor on my 'short list'

Kaine endorsed Obama early last year.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine has hitched his wagon to Barack Obama's star, and if Obama pulls out a win today in the Virginia primary it could pay dividends for Kaine's political future.

Kaine was one of the first politicians outside of Illinois to endorse Obama last year and his name has been floated repeatedly as a potential running mate for Obama were he to win the Democratic nomination.

On Monday, Obama was asked by a Virginia radio host if Kaine would be on his "short list" (he didn't say for what).

"He will certainly be somebody who is on my short list to have a role in my administration," Obama said.

Kaine, elected governor in 2005, is considered an up-and-comer by some national Democrats because of his success in the traditionally red state and his willingness to speak openly about his faith (he is a Catholic). After his election, Kaine was invited by the national party to give the Democratic rebuttal to President Bush's State of the Union address in 2006.

Obama told WRVA radio that Kaine "is as fine a public servant as we have in this country."

The 50-year old governor gave Obama a rousing introduction at last weekend's Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Richmond, an annual fundraiser for Virginia Democrats where the Illinois senator was warmly received.

Kaine was asked several times by reporters on Saturday about being on the ticket with Obama, and he seemed to welcome the attention.

"People get mentioned in lists, but I'm one of the Obama co-chairs nationally and I'll be advising him," Kaine said. "I've got some different ideas for him. I think I can be very helpful to Sen. Obama."

– CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby
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^ I think he should go for a female who isn't Hillary. I like the governors of Kansas and Arizona. On the other hand, any Barack-governor ticket is still going to be weak of foreign policy, which is a concern, especially vs. McCain.
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And then Kaine can take over in eight years in Sorkin-like fashion
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About who is liberal, who is right-wing etc., this is all a question of perspective. People tend to see themselves close to the 'centre', the median, etc. (not everyone, but most), so who is on the left or on the right varies tremendously. If your surroundings, family, are more right-wing (in a US sense), the US media can look liberal, and from the perspective of most of the rest of the world, even the Democrats (and also CNN and many American media) would be sort of centre-right.

Left and right all depends from where you're standing.
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i hope Kaine doesn't go for vp. i like him right where he is. VA needs him. he's done some great stuff for us.
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On the other hand, any Barack-governor ticket is still going to be weak of foreign policy, which is a concern, especially vs. McCain.
Not so with Richardson, who would not only pull in the Latino votes but is an excellent diplomat (earning 4 Nobel Peace Prize nominations), having negotiated with North Korea, Saddam Hussein and Castro as a former U.S. ambassador to the UN. He would be an excellent choice for Obama.
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i hope Kaine doesn't go for vp. i like him right where he is. VA needs him. he's done some great stuff for us.
I agree. It doesn't surprise me at all that he's on the short list since he was the first Gov. to endorse Obama a year ago, he's put a lot at stake to travel around the country and campaign for Obama.

However, he LOVES being Governor, and I don't think he's so ambitious that he'd take VP. He'd rather stay in Virginia politics, and we Virginians want to keep him


ETA-However, when his term is up in 2009 (and Virginia governors can't run for consecutive terms), I can see him being involved in an Obama administration as some form of economic advisor.
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ETA-However, when his term is up in 2009 (and Virginia governors can't run for consecutive terms), I can see him being involved in an Obama administration as some form of economic advisor.
I'd be cool with that! I don't plan on being in the state in 2009 anyway
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As long as you come back for my graduation

Judging from the results last night, Obama could very well put Virginia in play in November if the Republicans are still disillusioned by then.
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Judging from the results last night, Obama could very well put Virginia in play in November if the Republicans are still disillusioned by then.


and this is one reason why Memphis and i might choose Arlington over living right in DC. that, and the fact that we'd have Congressional representation. but then again, the gay hate laws in VA are from the 14th century, so you never know.

if Virginia went blue ... wow, just thinking about it gives me tingles.
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