phillyfan26
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I'm not saying the total sum of who we are. I'm talking about as a politician. How did you misconstrue that?
nathan1977 said:
It must be very easy for you to segment your life into boxes. The sum total of who we are is not irrelevant. We are who we are, and our politics reflects that, and for better or worse, for many of us, our faith reflects and informs our values, the decisions we make daily.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
What are you talking about? How was that post about segmenting your life into boxes?
Irvine511 said:personally, i don't actually care if kids sing Christmas carols in school. i don't care if there's a nativity scene in a public square. i do think that some people can get a little obnoxious about this stuff, though i full understand where they are coming from. i don't think many Christians realize just how unimportant religion is in the lives of so many people, and also how it isn't an all-encompassing source of self-identity for many people, and how nervous people get when talk shifts to how stuff that's nearly totally subjective and individual and personal take on some cosmic objective reality in the mind of the believer.
nathan1977 said:ETA: this thread really astounds me in its utter disregard for people of faith -- who constitute the vast, vast majority of people in this country. You realize that you're disregarding the deeply felt perspectives and beliefs of about 95% of American citizens, right? Regardless of whether they're Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc.
Moonlit_Angel said:
Uh...I'm quite sure everybody here has a respect for those of faith, no matter who they are.
I hope they still hold the Passion Play every 10 years in the village of Oberammergau. I mean, they've only been doing it for 400 years.Vincent Vega said:Speaking from the hell bent secular Europe, at least here in Germany no one cares the least bit about "Frohe Weihnachten" (Merry Christmas), nativity plays or any other Christian elements of the Christmas holidays.
I really don't understand what's the problem of those people.
nathan1977 said:
Quothing BVS on page one:
"I always have to laugh when someone uses religion and deversity in the same sentence."
nathan1977 said:Quoth Irvine a few pages back:
"the white evangelical Protestant 'base' has far, far more in common with the 'evildoers' than they yet know."
nathan1977 said:Quothing BVS on page one:
"I always have to laugh when someone uses religion and deversity in the same sentence."
nathan1977 said:Quoth Irvine a few pages back:
"we're the laughingstock of the rest of the world. let's get out of the 11th century."
nathan1977 said:Quoth Melon a few pages back:
"'people of faith' has become a loaded term for 'reactionary zealot.'"
BonoVoxSupastar said:
But it is laughable. You say diversity, yet you bash Europe, atheist, you want to deny rights to certain individuals, etc. It's ridiculous.
Earlier I said all humanity is equal, and you responded with "they have the right to disagree with you". How is that diversity? Please tell me.
INDY500 said:
I hope they still hold the Passion Play every 10 years in the village of Oberammergau. I mean, they've only been doing it for 400 years.
nathan1977 said:
Phillyfan said: "Everyone should vote. But a person's religious views should have nothing to do with it. Nothing at all." This perspective has been shared on this board before, the idea being, "leave your faith outside the voting booth." My whole point is, you can't, and telling people to do so, is both naive and insulting.
nathan1977 said:
I guess I missed where he bashed Europe and atheists. Is describing the cathedrals of Europe empty bashing them?
nathan1977 said:
Our exchange earlier came out of your description of running for president under your own list of perspectives (which, sure, included a belief that all humanity is equal, but which was hardly the only value you posted), and refusing to understand why people wouldn't get it. I said that people have the right to disagree with you, which they do. *shrug*
Irvine511 said:
yes. he linked the lack of religiosity in modern europe to the rise of islamofascism in european cities.
nathan1977 said:Phillyfan said: "Everyone should vote. But a person's religious views should have nothing to do with it. Nothing at all." This perspective has been shared on this board before, the idea being, "leave your faith outside the voting booth." My whole point is, you can't, and telling people to do so, is both naive and insulting.
nathan1977 said:
This only makes sense. You can't ignore an ideological vacuum that allows other ideologies to thrive.
Irvine511 said:
it's totally wrong.
the rise of radical Islam in Europe has nothing to do with the status of Christianity on the Continent and everything to do with the inability of European nations to effectively assimilate their Muslim immigrants.
phillyfan26 said:
You seem to think his speech was for something else. I, and many others here, have read between the lines, which are barely even lines. It was pretty obvious from his speech what he was doing.
nathan1977 said:
I could honestly give two rips about Romney's speech, or about Romney for that matter. I'm not voting for him (I'm personally leading towards Obama). I'm much concerned about the attitudes expressed on this board. The fervency on individuals on this board is emblematic of why there is so much animosity on the other side.
I still think Melon inadvertently summed it up best when he called people of faith "reactionary zealots." No wonder people are frustrated.
nathan1977 said:
I don't think we're talking past each other here. In an ideological vacuum, new ideologies will rise to the foreground, and in a relativistic society, might winds up making right.
nathan1977 said:
This only makes sense. You can't ignore an ideological vacuum that allows other ideologies to thrive.
But the one thing that bothers me the most, is that you keep ignoring or talking around this certain issue... Is where do you stand when one's "faith" infringes upon another's rights? Does majority still rule in this case?
it's totally wrong.
the rise of radical Islam in Europe has nothing to do with the status of Christianity on the Continent and everything to do with the inability of European nations to effectively assimilate their Muslim immigrants.
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