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If there are no government incentives for marriage - why do I need the government to "sanction" my marriage?
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Obviously it depends on your jurisdiction, but generally speaking, divorce and family law legislation currently dictates the means of calculating net family property and splitting it up on a separation event. The vast majority of people do not have domestic contracts because they a) can't afford them, b) aren't legally savvy, c) don't think they need them. When you take away marriage-related legislation, then what law will govern when a couple splits? I don't have time right now to get into the nitty gritty, but as I said earlier, your proposal is totally unworkable, and really to me sounds like little more than cutting off your nose to spite your face. |
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That can be debated by the evidence of recent gay marriage defeats in very liberal states. Quote:
The tax breaks are minimal, at best. We already have separate medical insurance... |
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So you'd have to address that point either way. |
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so now you've adopted the position that marriage is only for sexual satisfaction and society has no interest in helping people create families. as with most faux-libertarian positions, this will wind up hurting the poor who would benefit most from the advantages of marriage and often need to blend incomes in order to stay out of poverty. but so long as the homos don't marry, then i guess this is worth it? Quote:
you've really tripped yourself up here. none of these states have voted to eradicate any and all social recognition of marriage, the new position you're advocating today. all that's happened is that a vote was held on whether or not to allow gay people to marry (in states that already have strong anti-discrimination laws and civil union-type structures already i place. i should point out that this is (at least) the second false dichotomy you've set up. again, you're just adding fuel to the theory that you're ready to eradicate marriage just to keep the homos out. Quote:
does $400k over the course of a lifetime sound minimal to you? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/yo...y/03money.html |
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Man, then I need a new accountant...well, I guess it is better for society to have that $400k back and fix the bridges. |
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Pretty simple, and pretty good case for what marriage is supposed to be about...
In their first interview as a married couple since they tied the knot in August of last year at their home in Los Angeles, Ellen DeGeneres and Portia de Rossi talk about making their marriage official and the joy of wedded bliss on 'Oprah Winfrey.' "The thing about being a gay couple is that in the past you referred to your wife and there were quotation marks around it, and there was always that chance that people would kind of snigger about it, but now it's fact. It's law," de Rossi said. "She's my wife. I get to say that she's my wife. That's just the way it is. It's fact." Clearly, Ellen is enjoying married life and looks forward to a long union with de Rossi, who she dated from December 2004. "Anybody who's married knows that there is a difference. It feels like you're home. There's an anchor. There's a safety," she told Oprah. "I'm going to be with her until the day I die, and I know that." |
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so i take it you've given up? can you at least agree, that under the current law regarding civil marriage, there is no logical reason to bar gay couples from the institution. |
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No, I am adopting the more libertarian view that states should not be authorized to decree marital status.
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why is a marriage between two women meaningless to you?
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So, because I'm leaving the Catholic Church, I'm not allowed to get married anymore?
You're trying to make marriage into an exclusive, religion-only activity. I mean, this is stiflingly stupid. I actually can't believe it. |
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No, as long as you marry a vag... a woman it's okay. Even I can do that and even though I don't believe it, and wouldn't do it in such a setting, the spirit would be with me.
But the spirit stays out when it's to pen... men or two vag... women getting married. And that's why that cannot happen. |
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If it is, would the next "ruling group" be less defensive to the challenges of its hegemony? Or is it your hope the next "ruling group" would be so enlightened that it would freely surrender its hegemony once it achieves it? |
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i feel confident that we've successfully demonstrated that there's no logical reason to bar gay people from the institution of civil marriage. either we have to turn to universal laws given to us from a supernatural source thousands of years ago, or we have to abandon the thing altogether.
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So basically if your church decided it would marry two women you would be ok with that? Since now there is no governing body deciding if a marriage is legal or not, then you've pretty much opened it up to anyone...
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