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What the hell are you talking about? Where did I threaten you?
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No. I didn't express my impatience with your long-winded non-answers before this. I think. |
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That old Vietnam strategy? Destroy the village in order to save it. Irvine and melon offend you that much? You're willing to eliminate the option of courthouse marriages for straight couples who don't need a church for a "legal affirmation of their romance" just so they can't get hitched to their beloveds?
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I hear a lot of fear in some of these posts, fear of losing their status, I think there are some white straight males that are scared they will not play the same role in society that their fathers had. They don't honestly fear that procreation will change, in fact I'm pretty sure most know that the family structure won't change all that much, but they do fear that it's one more advantage that they are going to have taken away from them. |
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don't be ridiculous. so come down off the cross AEON, we need the wood. society loves children, loves marriage, loves it when people get married, and yes, the government should absolutely encourage this kind of behavior. it just should include gay people as well. in fact, gay people can procreate. you've heard of sperm donation and surrogacy? you've heard of adoption? a gay marriage blends families as well as any straight marriage. again, and no one's been able to answer this for me, what can straight people do that gay people can't, and how does this tie into the critical definition of marriage. Quote:
and we get all these contortions from you two, and very little substance -- you still have not answered the question about what it is that straights can do that gays cannot. i am sadly becoming forced to conclude that, for all your words, you have nothing to offer on this front other than the following: all straight relationships are better, in all ways and always, than all gay relationships. so just come out and admit it? Quote:
all those gays have more children than martha, and yet she's married. you've also glossed over the infertile, the post-menopausal, those who marry late in life, and those who choose to have no children. by your own logic, INDY, we need to divorce them all, post-haste. Quote:
do you at least now realize that these traditional understandings of how gender functions in a marriage is now incomplete to address reality? while childbearing often goes with marriage (just as people often marry people from the same race), it is not a requirement of marriage. and, further, gays and lesbians can and do have children. why should those children be deprived of married parents? can we please think of the children? Quote:
yes, at the ballot box, you are right. it is something new, and the pace of progress has been swift, but not perfect. but considering this was unimaginable 10 years ago, and considering it was almost 10 years from Selma to the Civil Rights Act, and considering that there's no way that the voters of Alabama would have voted to desegregate the University, do you really think that mob rule over minority rights -- itself hugely suspect, and the reason why we have courts to begin with -- is a particularly admirable model to hold up as some sort of validation of your position? |
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People can point to Natural Law, religion, biology, traditions - some accept this, others do not. In the end, I am now convinced that my definition, the one I share with Barack Obama and others, ultimately comes from a spiritual source that is best left outside of the government's interference. It does not need incentives any more than it needs protection. It is a responsibility I have to God - and this should not be legislated. |
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Not at all. They are usually polite, if passionate. Given the topic and their admitted homosexuality, I can understand their passion.
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So how do you propose the state handles your relationship? Hospital visits, taxes, etc... |
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Hospital visits should be handled by the individual hospitals and/or the agencies that regulate them. Concerning taxes, I am in favor of a flat tax across the board for every adult - married or not married.
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Roll over and tell the state of Virginia the news!
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After dozens of pages and thousands of words, and many still-unanswered questions, you've decided to stop the debate so you can remain unchallenged. |
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Rather rude - wouldn't you say? Just to clarify - I am not proposing ending marriage, just leaving it to private entities to define what it is, how it is performed, and who (and how many) it can include.
We can still have the Biblical definition discussion/debate (which is certainly a challenge), but others asked that this thread remain as secular as possible.My decision to halt government incentives for marriage is a secular/legal one. |
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i see. so we should burn down the house to save it? you realize how insane this sounds, and how this is the most homophobic position you've yet Quote:
where did i talk about "heterosexual behavior" in regards to fucking? you're the one who has described "homosexual behavior" as being little more than sexual fulfillment between adults. Quote:
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fortunately, most people don't agree with you. you seem to have been backed into a corner defending an indefensible position and are shutting down. that's fine. i think you should start by refusing your tax breaks and getting separate medical insurance. |
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thank goodness the hospital i was in allowed Memphis to come straight up to the ICU to see me. under your system, had we been in a less gay friendly area, he could have been stopped at the door at the whim of whatever hospital. gosh, and maybe a Catholic hospital could have refused to let him on their grounds altogether, since that would have been consistent with doctrine, no? |
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i think he's referring to the list of Prop 8 donors that was circulated after the event. because it was terrifying, releasing public information like that. some businesses could have been boycotted! that's gay terrorism! |
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The flat tax is a good way to punish the lower and middle classes so it doesn't surprise me that somebody on the right would propose such an idea. Your system is totally unworkable and completely unrealistic. |
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That's another debate. However, the removal of marriage tax incentives can be removed under the current tax code. |
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