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Two fathers must be better than one
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we have a problem specifically with heterosexual men who father children and then neglect them. this more often than not afflicts poorer families. Obama addressed THAT, not the essential goodness of men and their indispensability PREDICATED upon their gender. two mothers and/or two fathers have been proved, again and again, to be every bit as good as a mother and a father, and in fact, the newest evidence shows that two mothers just might be an even more optimal environment in which to raise children (though i'd argue that it's more that gay couples have to spend considerable money and jump through hoops to have children, and so they tend to take their jobs *very* seriously, as opposed to heterosexual men, apparently). so, nathan, while a child might need HIS father, a boy with two mothers does not need the sperm donor nor is he disadvantaged by not having a male parent when he in fact has two good female parents. Quote:
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wow, how intellectually dishonest of you. i've come to expect more from you, nathan. |
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... and here we go. sorry i didn't multi-quote all this. yes, perhaps heterosexual men shouldn't be allowed to get married, or father children since they're too irresponsible to be trusted with them. that's the core of your argument. i guess my kids are going to be really, really awesome, since they'll have two dads. |
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You honestly don't get it. That does not tell me one single thing about how the studies have handled third variables, or even if they have, because many don't. Nothing. I'm tired of repeating this over and over again. And again, the overwhelming point you seem unwilling to address - none of this matters anyway in the context of this discussion, for the reasons I and several others have already mentioned. |
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Your constant focus on fathers simply points out a failure on the part of straight men. Perhaps that's something you should be addressing totally separately from whether my old roommate and her girlfriend should be allowed to marry. |
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So what about all those terrible single mothers, depriving their poor children of a father? Gonna vote against those too? Or maybe, as others have said, it's the straight guys who are fucking it up for everyone else. ![]() Wouldn't be the first time.... |
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so i know i'm late to the party, but i'm just watching the first season of Mad Men, and i couldn't be happier that gender roles have evolved along with our knowledge of smoking, children playing in plastic bags, and seat belts.
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None. Yes, Obama talked about the need for fathers. But, and this is a very important distinction, in the context of households that are struggling under single parent care, which is, once again, an entirely separate area from two-parent households where the parents are homosexual. And as Irvine pointed out, if the need for fathers is so great, and if we're to take your stats at face value (which no one should) and say that female led households lead to greater suicide rates, then wouldn't a homosexual male couple be the ideal environment to raise a child? For you to bring any relevant outside data to this discussion, you'd have to produce studies that compare heterosexual parents to homosexual parents, which you have yet to do. Quite honestly it's baffling that you don't see the obvious disparity between the statistics you're posting and the discussion that's taking place here. |
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But most people would go further and state, without hesitation, that a child with a loving mother and father would have an advantage over the child of a loving same sex couple. Which begs the question; if it's only quantity, two parents being better than one with gender being inconsequential, than wouldn't three parents be even better? Four? |
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INDY, AEON, since you're both back in the discussion, my question still stands. Since the two of you seem to think marriage really does only equal offspring, since that's ALL you've talked about for pages, how's about those of us without kids? Still a valid marriage? |
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