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who's denied that fathers are important to their children? why would you bring up such a concern in a thread about marriage equality? |
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right. no one's answered the question -- what is it that only men can do that women cannot ever do. sure, we all think that father's are important to their own families, but what is it about his gender -- and gender only -- that would be impossible to be filled by two women? so, again, a week later, the question still stands. |
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A classmate from my grad program runs a blog on Uganda news. Her most recent post is about how its Parliament is looking to pass an anti-gay bill which will criminalize homosexuality in ways that are despicable.
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And if you don't believe her, here's a news link: Harper slams Uganda's anti-gay bill Reading this makes you realize that despite not being allowed to legally marry, homosexuals have it a lot easier in the U.S. than in many parts of the world. I can only hope Ugandans wake up and realize what they are doing is totally barbaric. |
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I'm heterosexual and I would like to have kids some day, so back of the line for both of you.
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In any event, your situation reinforces my point about gender. For most people, the process of getting married revolves around making babies (at the very least creating the possibility), which -- for most -- is somewhat impossible biologically speaking without someone from the opposite sex. (When IVF is $15K a pop and adoption easily costs that much, most people still make them the old-fashioned way.) But even when you take reproduction out of the equation, the differences between the sexes still clearly matter and are recognized as having value, in and of themselves. So in a society which still legally defines marriage as one man/one woman, your marriage is still valid. |
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Or his role in effectively raising sons, per the statistics I cited? Or his role in modeling opposite-gender relationships for both sons and daughters? Just off the top of my head. Irvine, Martha, and the rest -- do you believe that there are differences between genders? Maybe we should start there. |
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1) You keep mentioning psychology and sociology as though you know what you're talking about. But one of the first things taught in either discipline is that correlation does not equal causation. I've given you examples of things that make those correlations spurious, and yet you keep insisting on using them. I've read studies - not magazine articles, not dry statistics on a chart open to interpretation, but actual peer reviewed studies and academic papers that say that the key thing in helping a child through family break up is to have at least one parent consistently there for the child, and involved, even if that means setting aside their newfound ability to date and socialize for a while. The child needs a parent to be present and plugged in to parenting rather than building a new social life for themselves. Couple the failure to do this with the economics of most situations, and you have a situation much more complex than just having an absent father. 2) Say for the sake of argument that your "statistics" are completely accurate and that is the sole cause of all the harm to children that you say it is. It still doesn't matter. As long as there are allowed to be heterosexual parents of one gender heading families, then the same should be extended to homosexual families. Unless you're prepared to go to every single parent family and remove their kids, you have no argument here. |
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There are plenty of kids who have fathers physically present in the home but are still essentially fatherless-due to their fathers being emotionally unavailable or just not present in any way for other reasons-due to work obligations and/or choices of their own making. Just checked out in many cases, leaving the woman to essentially be a single parent. Where does that fall in these statistics? Is it just father there, check? I'd rather have any gay or lesbian parent than a straight one who is checked out. It's about the kind of parent, not the gender or sexual orientation.
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