equality blooms with spring, pt. II

[nathan1977]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

so we're boiling marriage down to who can shit out kids or not?

Charmingly put.

You posed a simple question -- to whit: "can you name me certain essential parenting techniques that a woman could never, ever provide on the basis of her gender and thus must rely upon her husband to perform because he is a male, and vice versa?" I gave you two answers, both related to parenting (which you asked for), which is part of the equation for most people who get married.

If you don't like the answer, ask a different question, but don't automatically assume your questions are rhetorical.

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by phillyfan26

You could tell Obama was a basketball player with that toss. It was somewhere between a pitch and a jump shot.

So you like Hoosiers? Chariots Of Fire is my favorite sports movie.

[AEON]

Originally Posted by nathan1977

... Give me five examples of men who can.

It would seem that gender essentialism is inherent to biology...

It would seem - but then again, that would make biology intolerant.

[AEON]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Chariots Of Fire is my favorite sports movie.

yeah right

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by nathan1977

Charmingly put.

You posed a simple question -- to whit: "can you name me certain essential parenting techniques that a woman could never, ever provide on the basis of her gender and thus must rely upon her husband to perform because he is a male, and vice versa?" I gave you two answers, both related to parenting (which you asked for), which is part of the equation for most people who get married.

If you don't like the answer, ask a different question, but don't automatically assume your questions are rhetorical.

no, nathan, not related to "parenting." related to birthing, maybe, and then not always and not essentially. you most assuredly did not answer the question at all.

now, name me the parental technique that only fathers have that two mothers never could.

so rhetorical or not, you didn't answer the question, you redirected it to more comfortable waters for yourself.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by AEON

It would seem - but then again, that would make biology intolerant.

if having your own biological children were a requirement for marriage, you might have something resembling a logical counterpoint.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by nathan1977

I'm just not used to having to explain something as basic. But hey, Irvine asked...

Basic is "two consenting adults = marriage", yet I've seen you and others walk a hundred miles in circles in order to avoid that...

[nathan1977]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

no, nathan, not related to "parenting." related to birthing, maybe, and then not always and not essentially. you most assuredly did not answer the question at all.

Actually, I did. I mentioned childbirth -- which men still cannot perform (cursed biology), and which is a crucial ten month time for women preparing to be mothers.

Additionally, the period of adolescence when a child begins to develop sexually is a time when the vast majority of girls want and need a mother, and the vast majority of boys want and need a father.

So I did answer your question. You just don't like the answer. Sorry.

[nathan1977]

Originally Posted by BVS

Basic is "two consenting adults = marriage", yet I've seen you and others walk a hundred miles in circles in order to avoid that...

I'm curious -- do you see a difference between cohabitating and marriage? What you've described is a sexually compatible relationship, maybe, but that's hardly the same thing.

[VintagePunk]

[BVS]

Originally Posted by nathan1977

I'm curious -- do you see a difference between cohabitating and marriage? What you've described is a sexually compatible relationship, maybe, but that's hardly the same thing.

I do, do you?

So if a man and woman don't want to have kids they should just "cohabitate"?

I know you don't believe that. See what I mean about miles of circles?

[diamond]

I wouldn't let Adam Lambert babysit my children.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by nathan1977

Actually, I did. I mentioned childbirth -- which men still cannot perform (cursed biology), and which is a crucial ten month time for women preparing to be mothers.

childbirth is not parenting. that's pretty basic, no?

i suppose adoptive parents or women with sperm donors don't spend that time preparing? how many families are you going to bash simply because they look different in order to make whatever point you're continuing to grasp at?

what does this have to do with marriage?

Additionally, the period of adolescence when a child begins to develop sexually is a time when the vast majority of girls want and need a mother, and the vast majority of boys want and need a father.

this is sloppy psychology if i've ever heard it -- but i suppose it goes along with your willingness to bash single parents in order to make points that gays and single parents are somehow flawed, inadequate parents, and therefore they shouldn't get married.

many boys and many girls are damaged and harmed by their mothers and their fathers, and many boys and many girls also turn to other family members at various points in their lives.

many fathers are able to talk to their daughters about puberty and sexuality, and mothers to their sons. and many parents never have direct talks with their kids.

i know you seem to think you know the best way for everyone to live and the best way for children to be raised and the best way for a family to look, but why don't you talk to the gay people you claim to know and ask them how they're going to handle puberty and other difficult issues. it could be, Nathan, that they have an answer that might be just as good as anything a heterosexual could come up with.

So I did answer your question. You just don't like the answer. Sorry.

are you under the assumption that you've made any sort of credible assertion or point or argument?

try again, Nathan. tell me how birthing a child is being a parent, and again, tell me what is exclusive to gender when it comes to actual parenting.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by nathan1977

I'm curious -- do you see a difference between cohabitating and marriage? What you've described is a sexually compatible relationship, maybe, but that's hardly the same thing.

why don't you just come out and say that the only legitimate marriage involves biologically related parents and children?

it would be much more honest than this half-baked tautology.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by diamond

I don't think Adam Lambert is ready to adopt children.

but britney can shit out a couple and we're all good with that.

[diamond]

tauties and hotties

[diamond]

but britney can shit out a couple and we're all good with that.

I think it's ironic that some gays are equating birth to human excrement, but when imitating
straight sex as in sodomy, they're actually in excrement more often then not.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by diamond

I think it's ironic that some gays are equating birth to human excrement, but when imitating
straight sex as in sodomy, they're actually in excrement more often then not.

i know, isn't it meta!

and this is a great meta point -- really, you're just freaked out by gay sex, and that's it! you have nothing but fear and ignorance left to fall back on!

again, meta!!!

[anitram]

Originally Posted by diamond

I think it's ironic that some gays are equating birth to human excrement, but when imitating
straight sex as in sodomy, they're actually in excrement more often then not.

I want to highlight this.

Not that I think <> will feel ashamed. But he should.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by anitram

I want to highlight this.

Not that I think <> will feel ashamed. But he should.

i love how he always becomes the point we're trying to make!