equality blooms with spring, pt. II

[nathan1977]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

can you name me certain essential parenting techniques that a woman could never, ever provide on the basis of her gender and thus must rely upon her husband to perform because he is a male, and vice versa?

You mean besides helping girls deal with their sexual development? Ditto for boys?

Just off the top of my head....

[deep]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

before you go, can you give us a list of things that Steve can do

1. martha

[nathan1977]

LOL, Deep. Nice one.

[martha]

Originally Posted by deep

1. martha

That's about it. But that's all I need.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by nathan1977

You mean besides helping girls deal with their sexual development? Ditto for boys?

Just off the top of my head....

it's true -- men should run away screaming when their daughters get their periods.

i mean, gosh, "with wings?" whatever THAT means!

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by AEON

Well, I certainly can't deny what you have observed. This is obviously a success story - and I'm certain there are others. I think you have certainly demonstrated that gay adoption can succeed, but I am still not convinced that it is a child's best chance for success if equally qualified heterosexual couples are available.

YouTube - My Two Dads TV Theme Song

[VintagePunk]

Originally Posted by deep

The image needs to be bigger.

Us old people can't read that small print.

Heh. Sorry. Thanks for reposting for me!

[nathan1977]

I think JiveTurkey's post of "My Two Dads" proves my point better than anything I could say...

Greg Evigan's hair! *shudder*

[BVS]

Originally Posted by nathan1977

You mean besides helping girls deal with their sexual development? Ditto for boys?

Just off the top of my head....

Yes because all of those hetero couples who are just saying "abstain" and are too scared to talk about sexual development with their children are doing a bang up job. I wonder if Palin did a better job than the two dads?

[diamond]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

And I think diamond is probably less conservative than he wants us to believe- or maybe it's just <> that's conservative and his other identity diamond swings from chandeliers. He boxes it off into two so he can live in both worlds

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[nathan1977]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

before you go, can you give us a list of things that Steve can do because of his gender that you never, ever could do because of your gender?

It also just occurred to me -- I'm also pretty sure men can't have babies.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by nathan1977

It also just occurred to me -- I'm also pretty sure men can't have babies.

neither can Martha.

neither can my Great Aunt who got remarried at 77 after her husband died of cancer.

i mean, you want more examples of women who can't have babies?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by nathan1977

It also just occurred to me -- I'm also pretty sure men can't have babies.

It just occurred to you?

See? Those hetero couples aren't doing the best job at discussing sexual development.

[INDY500]

Learn to throw a baseball from a heterosexual male or you'll end up throwing it like our president.

[phillyfan26]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Learn to throw a baseball from a heterosexual male or you'll end up throwing it like our president.

You could tell Obama was a basketball player with that toss. It was somewhere between a pitch and a jump shot.

[nathan1977]

Originally Posted by BVS

It just occurred to you?

See? Those hetero couples aren't doing the best job at discussing sexual development.

I'm just not used to having to explain something as basic. But hey, Irvine asked...

[nathan1977]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

you want more examples of women who can't have babies?

Didn't ask for any examples of women who can't have babies. Give me five examples of men who can.

It would seem that gender essentialism is inherent to biology...

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by nathan1977

Didn't ask for any examples of women who can't have babies. Give me five examples of men who can.

so we're boiling marriage down to who can shit out kids or not?

we could dance around all afternoon with notions of gender essentialism, but you're pretty much making gender contingent upon fertility, and i don't think that's something you want to do. unless it is.

and that all has nothing -- nothing -- to do with marriage equality, since fertility is certainly not required for marriage.

the fact of the matter is i have two very good married gay friends who are going to get pregnant using donor sperm and they are going to have a baby. how is this any different than any other non-traditional means of reproduction -- adoption, IVF, straights sometimes use sperm or egg donors -- and what does this have to do with their legal rights to marry each other?

[melon]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

we could dance around all afternoon with notions of gender essentialism, but you're pretty much making gender contingent upon fertility, and i don't think that's something you want to do. unless it is.

So have we hit "Bingo" yet?

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by melon

So have we hit "Bingo" yet?

we've already won the toaster and the mani/pedi gift certificate.